A quick look into what Obamacare will be like

[ruggbutt]

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/12/m ... rationing/

[Reservoir_Dog]

Hot Air........good name for a web site.
Gotta love how it's pushing miracle diets in the side bars as it tries to slam Obama's health care reform.

[ruggbutt]

Hot Air........good name for a web site.
Gotta love how it's pushing miracle diets in the side bars as it tries to slam Obama's health care reform.

I love how you are easily confused by shiny advertising. It pays. Websites cost money to run. Using your logic CNN has no leg to stand on with it's news because it takes advertising dollars for products that we don't really need. Instead of reading the article and seeing that rationing could be a reality you focus elsewhere. ADHD?

Obamacare is being modeled on Canada's and England's healthcare, which is fuxored. Hell, Canada is trying to get out from under it's current healthcare model cuz it's bankrupting the country and it does a poor job.

[callmeslick]

Obamacare is being modeled on Canada's and England's healthcare, which is fuxored.

all well and good, were it true, but the statement is complete bullshit. Where, pray God, do you see ANY relationship between the current healthcare systems of either Canada or Britain, and the plans working through the US congress?? It may bear some smallish resemblance to the Swiss model, but the Brits or Canadians?? You have to be kidding, or clueless.

Canada is trying to get out from under it's current healthcare model cuz it's bankrupting the country and it does a poor job.

and, I suppose, next week you will be expounding with your own unique expertise on what Lithuanians
really feel about their waste treatment facilities. For crying out loud, Ruggie, try to focus on what YOU
think, that's funny enough. You risk injuring us from sheer laughter when you tell us what kind of job
the Canadian health system is doing. Let's let UB6 and Res tell us if there is a real issue with their healthcare.
Why don't you explain why our current status quo is so peachy we should think(for a freakin second) about
mocking anyone elses healthcare delivery?

[Reservoir_Dog]

Hot Air........good name for a web site.
Gotta love how it's pushing miracle diets in the side bars as it tries to slam Obama's health care reform.

I love how you are easily confused by shiny advertising. It pays. Websites cost money to run. Using your logic CNN has no leg to stand on with it's news because it takes advertising dollars for products that we don't really need. Instead of reading the article and seeing that rationing could be a reality you focus elsewhere. ADHD?

Obamacare is being modeled on Canada's and England's healthcare, which is fuxored. Hell, Canada is trying to get out from under it's current healthcare model cuz it's bankrupting the country and it does a poor job.

As with most issues, you're letting your political beliefs get in the way of your common sense.
Sure, Canada's heath care system needs reform. But it is not bankrupting our country and it does not do a poor job. Canada is currently listed 3rd in the world in health care. (i believe America is ranked 13th...but I'd have to look it up) Any Canadian can walk into any hospital with any medical condition and recieve care without bringing a cheque book or credit card with them. Can 44 million Americans do that? I think not.
The heath care system in America is FUBAR. Any attempt to fix it is an attempt worth making. Reguardless of politics. Stop crying in your conservative diapers and start thinking about ALLthe people.

[Tolwyn]

Healthcare in America is fine.

The problem is people think it needs to be fair and that everyone should have it.

Government and insurance companies fuck up healthcare, not the doctors and hospitals.
Malpractice insurance and our country's (and the idiot people's) obsession with lawsuits fuck up healthcare.

Life... isn't fair.

You have the right to PURSUE happiness and all that jazz.

Bottom line... life isn't equal, fair or anything. Deal with it.

[Reservoir_Dog]

Healthcare in America is fine.

The problem is people think it needs to be fair and that everyone should have it.

Government and insurance companies fuck up healthcare, not the doctors and hospitals.
Malpractice insurance and our country's (and the idiot people's) obsession with lawsuits fuck up healthcare.

Life... isn't fair.

You have the right to PURSUE happiness and all that jazz.

Bottom line... life isn't equal, fair or anything. Deal with it.

That has got to be one of the most fucked up posts I have ever read.

I'm going to go have a beer, watch Miami play the Jets, and try to forget that I ever read it.

[Daiichidoku]

Any Canadian can walk into any hospital with any medical condition and recieve care without bringing a cheque book or credit card with them.

mostly, yes, but not entirely true all the time

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/medi-ass ... eng.php#a1

Do I need private health care coverage when travelling within Canada?
The portability criterion of the federal health insurance legislation, the Canada Health Act, requires that the provinces and territories extend medically necessary hospital and physician coverage to their eligible residents during temporary absences from the province or territory. This allows individuals to travel or be absent from their home province or territory and yet retain their health insurance coverage. Individuals should seek prior approval for out-of-province health care services from their home province insurance plan for non-emergency health care services. Within Canada, the portability provisions are generally implemented through a series of bilateral reciprocal billing agreements between the provinces and territories for hospital and physician services. These agreements are interprovincial, not federal, and signing them is not a requirement of the Canada Health Act. The rates prescribed within these agreements are host-province rates, and the agreements are meant to ensure that Canadian residents, for the most part, will not face point-of-service charges for medically required hospital and physician services when they travel in Canada.

Reciprocal billing is a convenient administrative arrangement, and it is but one method of satisfying the portability criterion of the Act. A requirement for patients to pay "up front" and seek reimbursement from their home province or territory also satisfies the portability criterion of the Act as long as access to a medically necessary insured service is not denied due to the patient's inability to pay.


BTW, just to clarify;

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/medi-assur/index-eng.php

Canada's national health insurance program, often referred to as "Medicare", is designed to ensure that all residents have reasonable access to medically necessary hospital and physician services, on a prepaid basis. Instead of having a single national plan, we have a national program that is composed of 13 interlocking provincial and territorial health insurance plans, all of which share certain common features and basic standards of coverage. Framed by the Canada Health Act, the principles governing our health care system are symbols of the underlying Canadian values of equity and solidarity.

Roles and responsibilities for Canada's health care system are shared between the federal and provincial-territorial governments. Under the Canada Health Act (CHA), our federal health insurance legislation, criteria and conditions are specified that must be satisfied by the provincial and territorial health care insurance plans in order for them to qualify for their full share of the federal cash contribution, available under the Canada Health Transfer (CHT). Provincial and territorial governments are responsible for the management, organization and delivery of health services for their residents.


this will get you down to the nitty-gritty of facts about Kanada's healthcare


Canada Health Act Annual Report 2007-2008

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/pubs/cha ... ex-eng.php

[JoeA]

Healthcare in America is fine.

The problem is people think it needs to be fair and that everyone should have it.

Government and insurance companies fuck up healthcare, not the doctors and hospitals.
Malpractice insurance and our country's (and the idiot people's) obsession with lawsuits fuck up healthcare.

Life... isn't fair.

You have the right to PURSUE happiness and all that jazz.

Bottom line... life isn't equal, fair or anything. Deal with it.

Your country, your right to your system.

[callmeslick]

Healthcare in America is fine.

you need to get out more

The problem is people think it needs to be fair and that everyone should have it.

well, that should be the goal. Most civilized nations try to aim for that

Government and insurance companies fuck up healthcare, not the doctors and hospitals.
Malpractice insurance and our country's (and the idiot people's) obsession with lawsuits fuck up healthcare.

that is a part of it, but blown way out of proportion. Eliminating lawsuits altogether would only bring
the costs down around 3-4%

You have the right to PURSUE happiness and all that jazz.

I get it....sort of like the difference between fishing and catching them....

Bottom line... life isn't equal, fair or anything. Deal with it.

we can, and should, as a nation, do better. Deal with THAT.