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Pudfark's idea. Lets sort out the Evolution thing here and not ruin a good thread about the lame Obama.
No rules, but it would be nice if we can stick to a discussion rather than name calling.

I will start by stating that the basics of Darwin's Origin of the Species has been proven.
Evolution is indisputable fact.

The pattern of evolution since the Cambrian explosion is not nearly complete but paints
a clear picture that all species are the end product of evolution from an earlier form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion

Got a match? :shock:

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Not to sure aboot that whole evolution thing dude, because i just dont see how this came from this

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Darwin was a Christian.

He didn't believe his own fairy tale.
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Buzz wrote:Darwin was a Christian.

He didn't believe his own fairy tale.
Buzz not to piss on your parade about Darwin, but that assumption is under dispute and cannot be proven.

however, he certainly was not an Atheist
Charles Darwin 1879 wrote:"I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God. – I think that generally ... an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."
But I'm guessing HH will say Darwin was wrong, and that makes him Smarter than Both Einstein AND Darwin
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HappyHappy wrote: Evolution is indisputable fact.


HH
again No one is disputing evolution. we are disputing "origin of species". obviously you are ignoring that FACT. so just go ahead and keep on talking because you are getting no where with this discussion
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I think God is the ultimate scientist and knew we're not stupid and would figure shit out eventually, hence the grand plan included evolution.

Evolution is not really an argument over creationism, but a fact of dna mutations.

Creationism lacks science. Science always wins, but that's not to say God isn't a scientist. ;)
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HappyHappy wrote:I will start by stating that the basics of Darwin's Origin of the Species has been proven.
Evolution is indisputable fact. HH

Researcher and mathematician I.L. Cohen:

“At that moment, when the the DNA/RNA system became understood, the debate between Evolutionists and Creationists should have come to a screeching halt. …the implications of the DNA/RNA were obvious and clear. Mathematically speaking, based on probability concepts, there is no possibility that Evolution was the mechanism that created the approximately 6,000,000 species of plants and animals we recognize today.”

DNA Molecules and the Overwhelming Odds Against Spontaneous Generation
Within each cell there is an area called the nucleus which contains the all-important chromosomes. Chromosomes are microscopically small, rod-shaped structures which carry the genes. Within the chromosomes is an even smaller structure called DNA. This is one of the most important chemical substances in the human body or in any other living thing. Increasing scientific understanding of DNA molecules has revealed enormous problems for materialism.
DNA is a super-molecule which stores coded hereditary information. It consists of two long “chains” of chemical “building blocks” paired together. In humans, the strands of DNA are almost 2 yards long [approx. 1.82 meters], yet less than a trillionth of an inch thick [approx. 0.0000254 microns].
In function, DNA is somewhat like a computer program on a floppy disk. It stores and transfers encoded information and instructions. It is said that the DNA of a human stores enough information code to fill 1,000 books each with 500 pages of very small, closely-printed type. The DNA code produces a product far more sophisticated than that of any computer.
Amazingly, this enormous set of instructions fits with ease within a single cell and routinely directs the formation of entire adult humans, starting with just a single fertilized egg. Even the DNA of a bacterium is highly complex, containing at least 3 million units, all aligned in a very precise, meaningful sequence.
DNA and the molecules that surround it form a truly superb mechanism a miniaturized marvel. The information is so compactly stored that the amount of DNA necessary to code all the people living on our planet might fit into a space no larger than an aspirin tablet!

Many scientists are convinced that cells containing such a complex code and such intricate chemistry could never have come into being by pure, undirected chemistry. No matter how chemicals are mixed, they do not create DNA spirals or any intelligent code whatsoever. Only DNA reproduces DNA.

Two well known scientists calculated the odds of life forming by natural processes. They estimated that there is less than 1 chance in 1040,000 that life could have originated by random trials. 10 to the 40,000th is a 1 with 40,000 zeros after it!

How can one gain some conception of the size of such a huge number? According to most Evolutionists, the universe is less than 30 billion years old, and there are fewer than 10 to the 18th (1018) seconds in 30 billion years. So, even if nature could somehow have produced trillions of genetic code combinations every second for 30 billion years, the probabilities against producing the simplest one-celled animal by trial and error would still be inconceivably immense!

In other words, probabilities enormously favor the idea that an intelligent designer was responsible for even the simplest DNA molecules.

Chemist Dr. Grebe:


“That organic evolution could account for the complex forms of life in the past and the present has long since been abandoned by men who grasp the importance of the DNA genetic code.”


Evolutionist Michael Denton:

“The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle.” Famed researcher Sir Fred Hoyle is in agreement with Creationists on this point. He has reportedly said that supposing the first cell originated by chance is like believing “a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.”
The notion that… the operating programme of a living cell could be arrived at by chance in a primordial soup here on the Earth is evidently nonsense of a high order. —Evolutionist Sir Fred Hoyle

Many, if not most, origin-of-life researchers now agree with Hoyle: Life could not have originated by chance or by any known natural processes. Many Evolutionists are now searching for some theoretical force within matter which might push matter toward the assembly of greater complexity. Most Creationists believe this is doomed to failure, since it contradicts the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

It is important to note that the information written on DNA molecules is not produced by any known natural interaction of matter. Matter and molecules have no innate intelligence, allowing self organization into codes. There are no known physical laws which give molecules a natural tendency to arrange themselves into such coded structures.

Like a computer disk, DNA has no intelligence. The complex, purposeful codes of this “master program” could only have originated outside itself. In the case of a computer program, the original codes were put there by an intelligent being, a programmer. Likewise, for DNA, it seems clear that intelligence must have come first, before the existence of DNA. Statistically, the odds are enormously in favor of that theory. DNA bears the marks of intelligent manufacture.

Dr. Wilder-Smith was an honored scientist with three earned doctorate degrees. He was well-informed on modern biology and biochemistry. What, in his considered opinion, was the source of the DNA codes found in each wondrous plant and animal?


“… an attempt to explain the formation of the genetic code from the chemical components of DNA… is comparable to the assumption that the text of a book originates from the paper molecules on which the sentences appear, and not from any external source of information.”
"As a scientist, I am convinced that the pure chemistry of a cell is not enough to explain the workings of a cell, although the workings are chemical. The chemical workings of the cell are controlled by information which does not reside in the atoms and molecules of that cell.

There is an author which transcends the material and the matter of which these strands are made. The author first of all conceived the information necessary to make a cell, then wrote it down, and then fixed in it a mechanism of reading it and realizing it in practice so that the cell builds itself from the information…"
Now we have demonstrable evidence that if you try to lead from behind, eventually the guys up front will stop looking back for instructions.
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HappyHappy wrote:The only thing the Rollers don't like is that it was not a world wide flood.
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Happy open up that box, stick your head out and look around. It's all there just waiting for you to find it.

Geological strata and their contained marine fossils provide critical evidence that the ocean once covered the continents, even the highest continental areas. Extremely widespread strata blankets argue for an intercontinental or global flood.

The Sauk Sequence extends throughout North America and appears to extend into Europe. The Tippecanoe Sequence also covers much of North America and may well extend into Europe and Africa. There are also intercontinental redbed sequences, intercontinental tuff beds, and coal-bearing strata cycles.

Granular, water-charged sediment flows result in very rapid stratification. Dilute flows produce thick sequences of plane beds, graded beds, and crossbeds by sustained unidirectional flow. Such flows also produce thick sequences of hummocky beds by sustained bidirectional flow.

Concentrated sediment flows produce thick strata sequences by abrupt deposition from liquefied suspension or evenly bedded strata by flow transformation to a tractive current.

These and many other obvious processes are leading many geologists to construct a global flood model for earth history.

There is extensive evidence for the layers of strata in the geologic record being laid down very quickly, similar to the processes observed when Mount St. Helens erupted. Rapid global formation of sedimentary rock beds is evidence that the earth is thousands of years old.

The major formations of the earth’s crust are sedimentary rock beds. These were formed by rapid erosion, transportation, and deposition by water. There is no global evidence of long periods of time between these layers or indications that these layers took long periods of time to form.

For example, sandstone is a major feature of the lower part of the Grand Canyon. The same rock layer is found in Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Colorado, South Dakota, the Midwest, the Ozarks, and in northern New York state. Equivalent formations are found across wide portions of Canada, eastern Greenland, and Scotland.
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Tolwyn wrote:I think God is the ultimate scientist and knew we're not stupid and would figure shit out eventually, hence the grand plan included evolution.

Evolution is not really an argument over creationism, but a fact of dna mutations.

Creationism lacks science. Science always wins, but that's not to say God isn't a scientist. ;)
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HappyHappy wrote:Any supreme being would have made an appearance and brought his people under control. HH
He has made many appearances, the last one 1000s of people witnessed. GOD created Man with a free will. He has tried to bring people under control many times but because of the freedom we have mixed with the sin that was released on the world (by man not following one simple rule) Man has become prideful and self-centered.
That brings us back to the flood, it was one of many attempts to bring people under control. Using the word "control" is a bit strong, GOD does not want to control us but to guide us through this life so that once it is complete we can be with Him.
Did you know that only 1% of the world population is Christian? (Christian-the relationship with GOD not Christian-the religion, big difference between the two!)
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