Obamacare Unconstitutional says Federal Judge

[Barfly]

Why would we lower the quality of our health care system to match what other countries do? We have a hybrid system that is already somewhat compromised by the amount of government intervention existing now. No one in this country goes without health care now. Not everyone has catastophic health insurance, but for those there is always an avenue for service. We don't need a bunch of bureaucrats inserting themselves into any more health care decisions. As if that's going to improve matters.

[Barfly]

Sorry Fatman my response was kind of harsh, but this issue is extremely frustrating for a lot of us here. For most of us, if the current legislation is upheld, the quality and quantity of medical we receive will go down, and the whole mess is in violation of the limited powers that the states grant the federal government. Many of us see opportunity for improving quality of life dwindling in the future here, with so many pushing for more centralized government power. We fear losing our Republic, and really, it's not something I'd expect someone who's not an American would see.

[callmeslick]

Why would we lower the quality of our health care system to match what other countries do? We have a hybrid system that is already somewhat compromised by the amount of government intervention existing now. No one in this country goes without health care now. Not everyone has catastophic health insurance, but for those there is always an avenue for service. We don't need a bunch of bureaucrats inserting themselves into any more health care decisions. As if that's going to improve matters.

sorry to break in with reality, but 15 million people do not have coverage at present, hospitals pick up the tab for them and others(passing it along to the paying customers), and people routinely go into bankruptcy due to medical costs. Further, the rising costs are a business-killer.

[callmeslick]

Sorry Fatman my response was kind of harsh, but this issue is extremely frustrating for a lot of us here. For most of us, if the current legislation is upheld, the quality and quantity of medical we receive will go down, and the whole mess is in violation of the limited powers that the states grant the federal government. Many of us see opportunity for improving quality of life dwindling in the future here, with so many pushing for more centralized government power. We fear losing our Republic, and really, it's not something I'd expect someone who's not an American would see.

opportunity for improving quality of life.......

[Barfly]

I'd rather go bankrupt pursuing what I think are my best medical options than not have care available or have it legally rationed. Take that out of context.

[Pudfark]

opportunity for improving quality of life.......

Just how will this improve the quality of your life, Slick?

If you don't like the way the government "runs" the country? Your really gonna like the way they run your health care? Right? Your really gonna have some control over it? Right?

Let's see? Approximately, 15 million don't have health care...and 290 million do.....so, you advocate that the 290, should all drop their trousers for the 15? In an "economic situation" that we have now, when we should all be tightening our belts?

Well, for now, it does not seem so likely....However, the Health Care Bill as passed by the Democrats, is the worst piece of legislation for economic growth...it taxes everybody and every business and the government has never done anything cheaper than the private sector....not, ever.

[callmeslick]

I'd rather go bankrupt pursuing what I think are my best medical options than not have care available or have it legally rationed. Take that out of context.

it wouldn't be out of context, I hope, to point out to you(as with all Medicare coverage) that you could easily purchase supplemental coverage, or spend out of pocket for whatever. No one is preventing you, or proposing to. I'm sure Fatman can straighten you out on that fact, if you have the money, you can buy all the extra care you need.

[callmeslick]

opportunity for improving quality of life.......

Just how will this improve the quality of your life, Slick?

MY life? Not really. I can afford any damn procedure I want, up to and including transplants, out of pocket.

If you don't like the way the government "runs" the country? Your really gonna like the way they run your health care? Right? Your really gonna have some control over it? Right?

I have no problem with Medicare. Does that translate into "I think it works perfectly"? No. But it is far more efficient in the use of funds than private insurers.

Let's see? Approximately, 15 million don't have health care...and 290 million do.....so, you advocate that the 290, should all drop their trousers for the 15? In an "economic situation" that we have now, when we should all be tightening our belts?

you've heard, I trust, of Medicare(40 million folks) and Medicaid(another 25 million), right? Toss in the vets on government subsidized healthcare and close to 1/3 of the insured already get government coverage. It's the folks that don't that worry me, and who cause a massive strain on hospitals and other providers. Further, you never seem to want to address the economic argument: The SINGLE LARGEST source of economic uncertainty for any mid to large size business is the cost of employee healthcare. At the US costs, we are very uncompetitive.

Well, for now, it does not seem so likely....However, the Health Care Bill as passed by the Democrats, is the worst piece of legislation for economic growth...it taxes everybody and every business and the government has never done anything cheaper than the private sector....not, ever.

very wrong. Hell, even the post office delivers far more cheaply than FedEx or UPS, and as I pointed out several times, Medicare is about 40% more efficient than private insurance. WAY less overhead, and no dividends to pay out to stockholders, nor multimillion dollar executive salaries.

[Barfly]

Wow. That's all I can say, WOW. lol. Medicare and the Post Office EFFICIENT? wow. There's a whole lot more to consider than just the fixed price a government sets for a service. Like the poster says in another thread, you've been smoking too much "Hopium", dude, lol.

[callmeslick]

Wow. That's all I can say, WOW. lol. Medicare and the Post Office EFFICIENT? wow. There's a whole lot more to consider than just the fixed price a government sets for a service. Like the poster says in another thread, you've been smoking too much "Hopium", dude, lol.

Medicare numbers are a matter of public record, as to money spent(premiums) versus benefits paid.
As for the post office, try getting anything delivered, anyplace by UPS or FedEx for 50 cents.