Afghanistan - how the press lies all the time...

[Pudfark]

The only reason to have a "presence" in Afghanistan?

It allows another direction of attack against Iran....pure and simple...
No other viable reason exists...

I would strongly disagree. Do a bit of research into pipeline projects planned for natural gas transport out of the Caucausus region.
Slick, nobody gives a damn about the natural gas...maybe, the Chinese..they contractually own the country & resources..

Were I the decision maker in Afghanistan?

then, the nation would have truly lost it's collective mind.
Our Nation has...or for sure, the politicians here have...

No press would be allowed there.

yup, just like WWII, right? Exactly, "You wanna know? You oughta go... "

The sky would be dark from the "Drones"....

based where? "Kandahar" it has a huge airbase...

I have had an interesting discussion about this with a family member just back from there...His views are quite
interesting...I am going to start a new thread on this and look forward to your participation...especially, the questions.

[Wullie]

I would strongly disagree. Do a bit of research into pipeline projects planned for natural gas transport out of the Caucausus region.

Afghanistan=shortest overland route for Russian oil/gas to the gulf for transport by ship.

Russia got her ass handed to her over there as we did in 'Nam. Russia and China supplied the NVA, we supplied and supported the Taliban against the Russians.

Now it looks like we are next in line to either take it in the ass in A'stan or get serious and flatten the opposition by whatever means necessary (HIGHLY unlikely with current do nothings at the helm) in order to get Russian oil out into the market.

Follow the money. We went to 'Nam to keep the the COMMIES from stopping the dope (opium/heroin) flowing, and now it's oil (our other dope we can't live without) THe commies got control of 'Nam and the Mexicans took over the dope supply.

That's my take on that situation.

Personally, I think we should drill the shit out of the gulf and the coast of Kali as well as the ANWR. We have the oil here to supply our needs and our friends needs. All we have to do is produce it.

[Pudfark]

With some goodwill one could say that your post relates very losely to my post. What has you being some kind of cop or whatever to do with wanting to get the press out of Afghanistan to have a free field for your strange vision of how this conflict should be fought?

Some hints for you: The way to lead this war to an acceptable end for the west (in other words to pull out) is not by drones but by working with and for the relevant parts of the afghan society. While Rugg wants to let pork rain even the US from time to time tries to "win the hearts and minds" of the afghan population.

Old school thinking aka "we just need to kill all the bad guys" is ridiculous when one looks at the reality over there. Creating more and more bad guys and killing thousands of civilians is not a way to win a war.

But i give you that, your post made more sense than Ruggs

Some folks is predictable..ewe being one of them....

How did that work out in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and in Afghanistan..so far?

Who other than you sez, we are killing thousands of civilians? Please to show the "body" count and source.
I'll bet, you don't know, that most all of the "Drone" attacks are filmed by the "Drone"..before, during and after...
I'll bet, you don't know, that multiple times, on film, the Bad Guys have removed their dead, gone to the local village,
killed a dozen or more civilians, hauled their bodies back to the "attack site" to replace the original dead guys and
stated that the US attacked civilians....I have that on good trusted authority...That documentation exists and is used often with the "locals"....

Old Pudfark sez: " The same old diatribe...When is enough, e-nuf? "

[callmeslick]

Slick, nobody gives a damn about the natural gas...maybe, the Chinese..they contractually own the country & resources..

the Chinese own Russian gas and oil? News to me, and anyone else with a brain.

No press would be allowed there.

Exactly, "You wanna know? You oughta go... "
actually, some of the press reports from the fronts(notably Pacific) were pretty freaking rough. It helped unite the nation, however. We have NEVER kept the press out of a combat theater, ever.

based where? "Kandahar" it has a huge airbase...

manned by(drum roll, please) Americans, I presume. Having taken the other troops out, let me elaborate:
Americans, largely technical in expertise, isolated by your strategy of concentrating on drone warfare(thus,
pissing off the locals), devoid of any reliable local intelligence. Sure, Pud, that would work. I'm just sure of it.


It will, no doubt, be interesting to hear the input of your guest. Make sure you serve him his desert first, and then ask the questions carefully.

[fatman]

Some hints for you: The way to lead this war to an acceptable end for the west (in other words to pull out) is not by drones but by working with and for the relevant parts of the afghan society. While Rugg wants to let pork rain even the US from time to time tries to "win the hearts and minds" of the afghan population.

Old school thinking aka "we just need to kill all the bad guys" is ridiculous when one looks at the reality over there. Creating more and more bad guys and killing thousands of civilians is not a way to win a war.

It might feel good winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan population but when they live and die along tribal lines i dont see it being won, And Ruggie is on the right track, hold up in a country over there and let the hadji fundies come and die much better option of them coming west and giving us subway attacks etc

[callmeslick]

Who other than you sez, we are killing thousands of civilians? Please to show the "body" count and source.

you're kidding, right? No one is saying it is purposeful, but it is well documented as happening.

[nicolas10]

I have no clue what you're talking about, the Red Cross thing was in my local paper, and the uptick in violence in Kabul has been well documented over here. I think you might be looking for some sort of cover up that isn't really happening, Nic.

Date & linkie please

Nic

[callmeslick]

I have no clue what you're talking about, the Red Cross thing was in my local paper, and the uptick in violence in Kabul has been well documented over here. I think you might be looking for some sort of cover up that isn't really happening, Nic.

Date & linkie please

Nic

my local paper(The Reading Eagle) doesn't do archive links of print articles, so you'll have to trust me on that one(have I lied to you yet?). Here's a link to the Christian Science Monitor, a prominent, well-read source newspaper for anyone serious about news. Similar articles, though, appeared throughout the US press:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Sou ... n-campaign

[Pudfark]

There are no "thousands" of casualties caused by the U.S. or Allied troops in A'stan.
Somebody show some proof please....Afghanistan - how the press lies all the time...

It just tickles me the folks who post what they "think" as fact...and when called on it? They post some more of the same....never any supportable facts.

A'stan has nothing for nobody...in the U.S. There is no purpose there other than to waste lives and money.
It's time to leave.

[nicolas10]

This linkie has nothing to do with the instance I was talking about, and I don't say you're lying but how can I know your local press article did?

Press shows what they're supposed to show. No more & no less.

Nic