A National Disgrace

[Pudfark]

My apologies to those who risk all for our future..
My "fuck you" to those who would take their future from them.

Pentagon Considering Scrapping Traditional Pensions in its Proposed Retirement Program Overhaul

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08 ... z1V7jN1p6W

This was presented to the troops a couple of weeks ago...I was asked to look into it....at that time, I found nothing...Which didn't surprise me, cuz I thought it was a rumor...as it was so unthinkable....

Old Pudfark sez: " It is dishonorable thing to do. "

[callmeslick]

to use the rationale of the Union-busting folks.....why should the troops get a standard pension when most working folks across the country don't have one any more?






Not that I buy that crock-o-shit for one moment. It's simply a weak rationale for bringing every working person down further. But, if it holds true for Union workers, then it is just as valid for military employees.

[CUDA]

well when you find me a union member that goes where he's told to go. not where he chooses to work. and fights for his country, putting his life on the line, than I might agree with you

[ruggbutt]

well when you find me a union member that goes where he's told to go. not where he chooses to work. and fights for his country, putting his life on the line, than I might agree with you

I'm surprised that as intelligent as Slick thinks he is he couldn't come up with the correct answer..............

[Darkhorse]

Slick you don't have a clue what the service members and their families endure to receive what little they are getting for 20 years of military life!

[CUDA]

I'm in favor of doing away with the pension for members of congress. it seems to get a full retirement all you need to do is serve 1 term in office. 4 years. and you get a full retirement. I served my 4 years in the Navy and got NADA. lets see how those Congressmen and Senators would like that??? lets make it like every other sector. to get a retirement Pension you most serve 20 years.

But I'm also in favor of term limits

[Pudfark]

Well, Slick....I understand what you wrote and how you meant it....
I don't believe for a moment that you personally agree with it....
That you presented it as the other sides argument for doing it...

I really like Cuda's idea of no pension for politicians...I do believe that there should not be, any
career politicians and I believe that career politicians have stagnated this country and its growth.

Anyone serving in the military puts their life at risk and sacrifices the quality of their life for all of us.
They do this for us...to give us the opportunity and guarantee that what we earn and the quality of our lives,
is what we make of it. Folks who have served and those in their families all know? That orders are orders, there is no such thing as negotiation...and you damn well can't quit. There is no "union" justification for this "back stabbing" maneuver. There is no justification at all. It is unconscionable to expect the men and woman who sacrifice and serve us, to do without the same guarantees, that they provided for all of us.

Serving in the military is not just a job. It is a commitment, that one gives voluntarily, to serve his/her country, before serving themselves or their families. These fine folks are not given their benefits, they all have earned them. I cannot conceive of a more reckless, thoughtless act? Than to "steal" from these people.

Old Pudfark sez: " This despicable act is the justification for term limitation.. "

Pudfark sez: " It's also the justification to shit can the Commander in Chief... "

[Pudfark]

The link below contains some more info and No Justification for this Cowardly Act.

Panetta: 'You Have to Consider' Military Retirement Reform

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Tuesday that overhauling the military's retirement benefits system is "the kind of thing you have to consider." WHY?
During a televised conversation at the National Defense University, Panetta said a decision has not been made yet about a proposal from a Pentagon task force that would abandon the traditional pension system in favor of a 401(k)-style contribution program.
But he said if retirement benefits are changed, "you have to do it in a way that doesn't break faith with the military." Panetta added that the Pentagon would have to grandfather in current benefits.

The comments drew applause from military members who fear their retirement benefits won't be there when they hang up their uniforms.
Under the newly proposed Defense Business Board plan, all troops would receive yearly retirement contributions if they served at least 20 years -- a stipulation of the existing system. The money, however, would not vest until service reached at least three to five years and would then be payable at retirement age. If personnel left before that three- to five-year mark, the time served would be rolled over into Social Security.
Retired Gen. Bob Scales called the proposal "a bad deal."
"That's why the military retirement system was structured the way it was structured because war is a young man's game," he told Fox news. "We reward those who sacrifice when they're young. And the reward is when they retire, they are given a decent retirement pay to carry them over the time they leave the service, and this of course would just remove that."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08 ... z1VDJifUhp

Old Pudfark sez: " The last Presidential Election was about Change...The next one? Will be about Renege.. "

[callmeslick]

to the nitwits incapable of reading(thanks Pud for figuring this out), I agree it is a national disgrace, but that logic is a disgrace whenever it is applied. That holds especially true for soldiers, firefighters, police and teachers, who serve the nation. Since the opinion was raised that fighting is a young man's game, why isn't the pension even more frontweighted? Sure, the benefits for education and all are given to all who serve the minimal period, but the serious pensions go to career soldiers.

[Pudfark]

I am/was a U.S. Army dependent for 18 years....I was born in Georgia, Ft. Benning...as was my brother...I have two sisters....One born in Texas and the other born in Georgia, Ft. Gordon...I have lived in Georgia, Texas, Japan, California, Kansas and Virginia...In those 18 years, I accumulated no life long friends. Everybody I knew, was as transient as I was forced to be. My parents were both Texans. I along with my siblings, were raised to be Texans....Every where we lived, our vehicles had Texas license plates. I have resided in Texas for the last forty years.

My Father, aged 81 years, still collects his pension...He served 30 years in the Army. He earned every bit of it...
To compare other occupations to military service?
Is like comparing apples to meadow muffins...
Some of those other occupations do require an oath...
However, in all of them, you can quit, whenever you want to...
There is no higher service to another...Than, when you cannot quit.
To dilute a military pension?
Is to delude ourselves and our future.

Old Pudfark sez: " There is no comparison...military to civilian...and if our country comports itself correctly, there never will be... "