Nice job of the police there...
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Pudfark
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Well Nic...the EDIT posted on the link has considerable bearing in
this matter...the timing.
Here is what I meant...about the "supervisors"....these are pretty much "desk job" folks...
They do not, as a rule, go out and "arrest" people....This really raised my interest, in what has
occurred during this protest.... The average, large city police officer, knows very well, that he is
often called upon to be the sacrificial lamb in circumstances like this.......I am beginning to
form an opinion...that the "regular" officers made it known, that they were not going to solely take the "heat"
on this occasion...and therefore, the "supervisors" were sent out in mass. Further, it is well known, that Police Departments often adjudicate complaints made by citizens more harshly, against the "regular" officers than the
"supervisors"....It seems to me? That the "regular" officers, along with the upper echelon Police Department, are letting the "supervisors" take the "heat" as it will be easier and faster to "deal" with....
I certainly don't think for one moment...that the "protesting public" is going to agree....with the results of?
How it is dealt with...internally.
All, I am saying is this, Nic......What you have seen?
Is only one small facet of what is going on...there is a hell of a lot more to it.....
A few seconds of "well timed" video?
Does not, cannot, explain an incident in it's entirety...
Further, to form an opinion and express it, as an absolute?
Well? I think more of you than that...
I don't think I'm wrong about you...
Now...argue that
this matter...the timing.
Here is what I meant...about the "supervisors"....these are pretty much "desk job" folks...
They do not, as a rule, go out and "arrest" people....This really raised my interest, in what has
occurred during this protest.... The average, large city police officer, knows very well, that he is
often called upon to be the sacrificial lamb in circumstances like this.......I am beginning to
form an opinion...that the "regular" officers made it known, that they were not going to solely take the "heat"
on this occasion...and therefore, the "supervisors" were sent out in mass. Further, it is well known, that Police Departments often adjudicate complaints made by citizens more harshly, against the "regular" officers than the
"supervisors"....It seems to me? That the "regular" officers, along with the upper echelon Police Department, are letting the "supervisors" take the "heat" as it will be easier and faster to "deal" with....
I certainly don't think for one moment...that the "protesting public" is going to agree....with the results of?
How it is dealt with...internally.
All, I am saying is this, Nic......What you have seen?
Is only one small facet of what is going on...there is a hell of a lot more to it.....
A few seconds of "well timed" video?
Does not, cannot, explain an incident in it's entirety...
Further, to form an opinion and express it, as an absolute?
Well? I think more of you than that...
I don't think I'm wrong about you...
Now...argue that
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Pudfark
Re: Nice job of the police there...
HH ain't totally wrong...far from it...
In a mob?
Against the mob?
Bad behavior is contagious...
Always has been.
Always will be.
That's the #1 reason?
Why mobs are so fuckin dangerous....
It's a protest?
When it's organized...
It's a mob?
When it ain't organized...
Either situation?
Without authority present?
Is one hell of a mess...
just sayin...........
In a mob?
Against the mob?
Bad behavior is contagious...
Always has been.
Always will be.
That's the #1 reason?
Why mobs are so fuckin dangerous....
It's a protest?
When it's organized...
It's a mob?
When it ain't organized...
Either situation?
Without authority present?
Is one hell of a mess...
just sayin...........
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Pud, why would jp morgan donate 4,6 million $ to NYPD just now?
Don't you think that something is fishy?
I'll reply to your earlier post later on.
Nic
Don't you think that something is fishy?
I'll reply to your earlier post later on.
Nic
Re: Nice job of the police there...
In the video we can see the whole scene with the pepper spray incident. The guy walks there, pulls out the pepper spray, aimes & fires at the protestors (which are doing absolutely nothing), and then moves away fast as if not to get caught.Pudfark wrote:Well Nic...the EDIT posted on the link has considerable bearing in
this matter...the timing.
How the fuck do you explain such a course of action?
My explanation is that he is an "agent provocateur" trying to start shit up to provide a good excuse for the NYPD to flex some muscle and put an end to the demonstration. I see no other plausible cause for such behavior, and if you have one be my guest and tell it.
I'm calling BS on that one. I don't believe it for one second IF supervisors were sent out, it's because those were obedient puppets who were willing to start shit to make excuses for some nice protestor beating. Things that I suppose most cops wouldn't accept to do. But you'll always find some sociopaths who'd accept to do that to further their career.Here is what I meant...about the "supervisors"....these are pretty much "desk job" folks...
They do not, as a rule, go out and "arrest" people....This really raised my interest, in what has
occurred during this protest.... The average, large city police officer, knows very well, that he is
often called upon to be the sacrificial lamb in circumstances like this.......I am beginning to
form an opinion...that the "regular" officers made it known, that they were not going to solely take the "heat"
on this occasion...and therefore, the "supervisors" were sent out in mass.
Well those will probably only get a tap on the shoulder and a smile, and a good grade for their advancement. Nothing like sucking the knob of your superior for that.Further, it is well known, that Police Departments often adjudicate complaints made by citizens more harshly, against the "regular" officers than the"supervisors"....It seems to me? That the "regular" officers, along with the upper echelon Police Department, are letting the "supervisors" take the "heat" as it will be easier and faster to "deal" with....
For good reason.I certainly don't think for one moment...that the "protesting public" is going to agree....with the results of?
How it is dealt with...internally.
Well you said yourself that police love the videos, and film everything they do to avoid complaints. Surely they must have filmed the protestors when they did anything that could have been a reason to beat them up right?All, I am saying is this, Nic......What you have seen?
Is only one small facet of what is going on...there is a hell of a lot more to it.....
A few seconds of "well timed" video?
Does not, cannot, explain an incident in it's entirety...
Further, to form an opinion and express it, as an absolute?
Well? I think more of you than that...
I don't think I'm wrong about you...
Now...argue that
Nic
Re: Nice job of the police there...
I agree. Those women were unable to move and doing absolutely nothing wrong when officer Bologna attacked them with pepperspray.nicolas10 wrote: In the video we can see the whole scene with the pepper spray incident. The guy walks there, pulls out the pepper spray, aimes & fires at the protestors (which are doing absolutely nothing), and then moves away fast as if not to get caught.
How the fuck do you explain such a course of action?
My explanation is that he is an "agent provocateur" trying to start shit up to provide a good excuse for the NYPD to flex some muscle and put an end to the demonstration. I see no other plausible cause for such behavior
That pig needs to be removed from his position and punished severely.
1312 IMHO
"How about no, you Crazy Dutch Bastard?"
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Pudfark
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Geez...what is it about only 1/3 of the incident being shown?
That you don't understand? Have you no questions about the
other 2/3's? No interest? No curiosity? Why would the folks,
who chose to make available the video edit it down to what you
have seen? Could they have an ulterior motive?
Why would a cop, pepper spray some folks and haul ass away?
Duh?
He don't want that shit on him......can y'all discern the wind direction from the video?
I can't.
Why won't the cops show their video to refute the one you have seen?
They can't. It's evidence to be used at trial and Grand Jury (if applicable).
Yes, it's public information and you can request it...but, you won't get it until
the entire matter is adjudicated....meaning, probably...years.
Nic, you may be under the impression that I am defending the cops?
Far from it... I am defending the Truth. So far, I've only seen 1/3 of the Truth.
Our system, nor any other that I am aware of...does not work like this:
"Do you swear to tell the Truth and nothing but 1/3 of the Truth, So help you God?"
Our system is about the whole truth and nothing but the truth....
So, far....I've only seen? One third of the truth.
I will give you this?
You can't deny what you have seen, nor can you explain..what you have not.
That you don't understand? Have you no questions about the
other 2/3's? No interest? No curiosity? Why would the folks,
who chose to make available the video edit it down to what you
have seen? Could they have an ulterior motive?
Why would a cop, pepper spray some folks and haul ass away?
Duh?
He don't want that shit on him......can y'all discern the wind direction from the video?
I can't.
Why won't the cops show their video to refute the one you have seen?
They can't. It's evidence to be used at trial and Grand Jury (if applicable).
Yes, it's public information and you can request it...but, you won't get it until
the entire matter is adjudicated....meaning, probably...years.
Nic, you may be under the impression that I am defending the cops?
Far from it... I am defending the Truth. So far, I've only seen 1/3 of the Truth.
Our system, nor any other that I am aware of...does not work like this:
"Do you swear to tell the Truth and nothing but 1/3 of the Truth, So help you God?"
Our system is about the whole truth and nothing but the truth....
So, far....I've only seen? One third of the truth.
I will give you this?
You can't deny what you have seen, nor can you explain..what you have not.
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HappyHappy
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Funny how CNN and FOX are not making a big deal
out of this, but MSNBC is.
My guess is one of their own got whacked by pepper spray, cuffed
and hauled away in the paddy wagon.
The police in Paris failed to control mobs of Muslims a few years back.
Me thinks they tolerated WAY too much. They fiddled while France burned.
I rarely side with the police in circumstances like this. A small percentage have a problem with ego
and get hot headed over minor shit. But they make the headlines.
This is a clear case of a bunch of assholes pissing off a bunch of cops.
At least Newyork did not burn
Phuck em.
HH
out of this, but MSNBC is.
My guess is one of their own got whacked by pepper spray, cuffed
and hauled away in the paddy wagon.
The police in Paris failed to control mobs of Muslims a few years back.
Me thinks they tolerated WAY too much. They fiddled while France burned.
I rarely side with the police in circumstances like this. A small percentage have a problem with ego
and get hot headed over minor shit. But they make the headlines.
This is a clear case of a bunch of assholes pissing off a bunch of cops.
At least Newyork did not burn
Phuck em.
HH
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Pudfark
Re: Nice job of the police there...
You lads need to learn the benefits of Pepper Spray?
First off, you never work up a sweat when using it...
Second, it's very effective and leaves no marks or wounds...
Third, the afflicted individual always shows remorse in his mugshot photo...
Fourth, it's greener than a taser...
Fifth, it's disposable....like douche...
For your own information...I've never used it or had it issued.
Did have a night stick...but, after Rodney King...left it in the trunk....My favorite tool, always?
PPCT (Pressure Point Control Tactics) very, very useful and effective...it's about pain and compliance...hurts like a bitch and you will comply....every time. It don't involve whacking and hitting...and is very subtle...
First off, you never work up a sweat when using it...
Second, it's very effective and leaves no marks or wounds...
Third, the afflicted individual always shows remorse in his mugshot photo...
Fourth, it's greener than a taser...
Fifth, it's disposable....like douche...
For your own information...I've never used it or had it issued.
Did have a night stick...but, after Rodney King...left it in the trunk....My favorite tool, always?
PPCT (Pressure Point Control Tactics) very, very useful and effective...it's about pain and compliance...hurts like a bitch and you will comply....every time. It don't involve whacking and hitting...and is very subtle...
Re: Nice job of the police there...
And there is the crux of the issue, the spray was brought in as an alternative to lethal force and now its a compliance measure sure we have all seen people being a bunch of dicks for exapmle the lady not getting out of her car and getting sprayed uncalled for yeah i would say so, or over here a perp handcuffed and being lead away under control when the bimbo got her rocks off putting it right in his eyes that biatch deserved a smackdown cop or not.Pudfark wrote:it's about pain and compliance.