Pudfark I'd like to hear your sentiment about the 4,6 million donation to NYPD. Is it pure coincidence that they've donated it right now? Open your eyes dude.
BTW nowhere am I saying that cops are bad and protesters are good in general. Some mobs need to be taken care of with force more often than not. And in the riot in Paris there where some areas (including near where I live) where the riots didn't last because as soon as they started burning shit the cops came and beat the crap out of them. Believe me it didn't last long at all.
Nic
Nice job of the police there...
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Pudfark
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Many large organizations and businesses donate money and materials to local government routinely.
More often than not, to the Fire and Police Departments. What might be of interest to you? The largest
donor to Local and State Police Departments is the U.S. Federal Government.
Specifically on your question....I don't see any collusion at all, between the donor and the cops. I say this because? The money donated went to buy laptop computers, to make reports with...Not riot gear. Also, the money was donated months before this incident occurred. You could probably argue that the "Fat Cats" knew about this "protest" months ago and "bought off" the police ahead of time? If that were the case? Why did they not buy riot gear/kit?
This "Movement", "Protest", "Demonstration", "Mob" or whatever name you want to assign to it?
Is lacking in the following:
Leadership
Agenda
Organization
Goals
Spokes Person
This has led to frustration on their part and that in turn will lead to misbehavior...which results in
what you have partially seen thus far.
One of two things are going to occur in the next week or two?
This "thing" is going to dwindle into nothing, likely, hopefully.
Or, increased misbehavior on a larger scale, resulting in greater arrests and injuries...
These folks lack the ability to "force" a change.
Here is what tickles me?
These folks make the "Tea Party" look like the voice of reason.
Why?
The "Tea Party" works with in the recognized system of rules and laws.
When the "Tea Party" assembles?
It is done quietly, lawfully and no problems to anyone.
The "Tea Party" does not disrupt commerce or peoples rights of movement/transportation.
The "Tea Party" uses the ballot box for change.
I did not write the above as a recruitment effort on behalf of the Tea Party...I wrote it,
to point out that both groups want a change. Which one is more likely to be successful in your opinion?
I am enjoying our exchange of ideas...
More often than not, to the Fire and Police Departments. What might be of interest to you? The largest
donor to Local and State Police Departments is the U.S. Federal Government.
Specifically on your question....I don't see any collusion at all, between the donor and the cops. I say this because? The money donated went to buy laptop computers, to make reports with...Not riot gear. Also, the money was donated months before this incident occurred. You could probably argue that the "Fat Cats" knew about this "protest" months ago and "bought off" the police ahead of time? If that were the case? Why did they not buy riot gear/kit?
This "Movement", "Protest", "Demonstration", "Mob" or whatever name you want to assign to it?
Is lacking in the following:
Leadership
Agenda
Organization
Goals
Spokes Person
This has led to frustration on their part and that in turn will lead to misbehavior...which results in
what you have partially seen thus far.
One of two things are going to occur in the next week or two?
This "thing" is going to dwindle into nothing, likely, hopefully.
Or, increased misbehavior on a larger scale, resulting in greater arrests and injuries...
These folks lack the ability to "force" a change.
Here is what tickles me?
These folks make the "Tea Party" look like the voice of reason.
Why?
The "Tea Party" works with in the recognized system of rules and laws.
When the "Tea Party" assembles?
It is done quietly, lawfully and no problems to anyone.
The "Tea Party" does not disrupt commerce or peoples rights of movement/transportation.
The "Tea Party" uses the ballot box for change.
I did not write the above as a recruitment effort on behalf of the Tea Party...I wrote it,
to point out that both groups want a change. Which one is more likely to be successful in your opinion?
I am enjoying our exchange of ideas...
Re: Nice job of the police there...
http://bloomberg.skyhookwireless.com/ne ... -gala.html
The donation was made several months ago... no relation to the current protest activity. Or perhaps they were aware that they would be targeted by organized protest well ahead of time? It is rather odd to donate that much money to a government organization... even though local donations to police are not unusual - a local 'thank you' above and beyond pay and benefits.
(sorry my post is a bit redundant... Pud and I posted same time)
The donation was made several months ago... no relation to the current protest activity. Or perhaps they were aware that they would be targeted by organized protest well ahead of time? It is rather odd to donate that much money to a government organization... even though local donations to police are not unusual - a local 'thank you' above and beyond pay and benefits.
(sorry my post is a bit redundant... Pud and I posted same time)
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Pudfark
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Here ya go Nic....Even this "Scumbag" agrees with me....
Van Jones Urges Progressives to 'Steal' Tea Party Strategy
Making no secret of his disdain for Tea Party ideals and ideas, ex-White House adviser Van Jones on Monday nonetheless urged liberal activists to "steal" the Tea Party's playbook.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10 ... z1ZpxuHwPz
Van Jones Urges Progressives to 'Steal' Tea Party Strategy
Making no secret of his disdain for Tea Party ideals and ideas, ex-White House adviser Van Jones on Monday nonetheless urged liberal activists to "steal" the Tea Party's playbook.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10 ... z1ZpxuHwPz
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Pudfark
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Barfly...true what you wrote and appreciated.
One of my gripes in this fast over crowding world is this:
People have become accustomed to speaking in generalities...Meaning: They choose to Not communicate in a specific, definitive manner. This has resulted in multiple interpretations, meanings and large scale confusion. It also results in arguments and wasted litigation, even violence. It also promotes more indecision and inaction. Then along comes the ugly word "Responsibility".... Because?
The word "responsible" cannot be used when the conditions or circumstances are not specified or defined.
Therefore, as long as someone speaks in generalities?
They are not "responsible" and they are not accountable.
So, generally speaking?
What I wrote here,above, is a rant....
One of my gripes in this fast over crowding world is this:
People have become accustomed to speaking in generalities...Meaning: They choose to Not communicate in a specific, definitive manner. This has resulted in multiple interpretations, meanings and large scale confusion. It also results in arguments and wasted litigation, even violence. It also promotes more indecision and inaction. Then along comes the ugly word "Responsibility".... Because?
The word "responsible" cannot be used when the conditions or circumstances are not specified or defined.
Therefore, as long as someone speaks in generalities?
They are not "responsible" and they are not accountable.
So, generally speaking?
What I wrote here,above, is a rant....
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Re: Nice job of the police there...
Pudfark wrote:Here ya go Nic....Even this "Scumbag" agrees with me....
Van Jones Urges Progressives to 'Steal' Tea Party Strategy
Making no secret of his disdain for Tea Party ideals and ideas, ex-White House adviser Van Jones on Monday nonetheless urged liberal activists to "steal" the Tea Party's playbook.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10 ... z1ZpxuHwPz
scumbag? Really? You might want to look past the Fox News spin. At any rate, I think this Wall Street Occupation thing, although chock full of a very diverse group of people, might galvanize the left. However, I don't think it should be a 'left/right' thing. As I have been trying to say, within these pages, for a decade, the big money is screwing 99% of all citizens. They are doing it daily. They coopted the tea party movement to further their own ends, and the GOP went right along. Just look at that currently popular 9-9-9 tax proposal from Herman Cain. 9% income tax, with ZERO cap gains or dividend taxes and ZERO inheritance tax?
What a freaking gift. I ought to be dancing, as I will rake it in under that scheme, but, sadly, I can do the math and see that no way does that either grow the economy or cover the current costs of government. So, what will result? No Social Security or Medicare for the elderly, no help for the unemployed or working poor. Nothing. Hell, we might not even be able to cover our debt and defense with that bullshit. And who laughs all the way to the bank? That's right, the same folks who have been fleecing the rubes and stashing the cash for years.
So, to sum up, I am at the point with this new 'Occupy' movement that I was with the Tea Party movement at the outset. They are on to something, and targeting economics/business wrongs will probably be more effective than targeting elective politics alone, but the wary part of me is waiting for some narrow interest to usurp the movement to no good end, as the Koch bros and their pals did with the Tea Party. Time will tell.
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Pudfark
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Yes Slick, Van Jones is a scumbag. Even Obama agrees with me. Obama fired him. You may say?
That Jones quit? Either way, he's an acknowledged scumbag. So, you disagree with Jones and adopting
the Tea Party Play book? But, you "admire" him?
This thread, started by Nic, was about perceived police misconduct with a group of people.
I have attempted to answer earlier in this thread.
My point, I was trying to make? Was that this group of disorganized folks? Seems to lack clarity as to agenda
and purpose. The Tea Party mention, whether you agree with it or not? Was to show organization, clarity, purpose and application. The Tea party has people in congress and the Occupy Wall Street folks have people on the side walk and street. One would think, Slick, that you of all people, would be the guy who would encourage everybody to work within the system. Can ya tell me who the OWS folks are running for office or endorsing?
If ya want to start another thread about this?
I'll participate.
Old Pudfark sez: " There's running fer office...and...there's running down the bridge... "
That Jones quit? Either way, he's an acknowledged scumbag. So, you disagree with Jones and adopting
the Tea Party Play book? But, you "admire" him?
This thread, started by Nic, was about perceived police misconduct with a group of people.
I have attempted to answer earlier in this thread.
My point, I was trying to make? Was that this group of disorganized folks? Seems to lack clarity as to agenda
and purpose. The Tea Party mention, whether you agree with it or not? Was to show organization, clarity, purpose and application. The Tea party has people in congress and the Occupy Wall Street folks have people on the side walk and street. One would think, Slick, that you of all people, would be the guy who would encourage everybody to work within the system. Can ya tell me who the OWS folks are running for office or endorsing?
If ya want to start another thread about this?
I'll participate.
Old Pudfark sez: " There's running fer office...and...there's running down the bridge... "
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Slick...
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/23584 ... protesters
Please Pud read it too. You probably won't agree but it's good to read confrontational views for info.
Nic
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/23584 ... protesters
Please Pud read it too. You probably won't agree but it's good to read confrontational views for info.
Nic
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Yep they have been hijacked.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/05/un ... latestnews
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/05/un ... latestnews
Now we have demonstrable evidence that if you try to lead from behind, eventually the guys up front will stop looking back for instructions.
Government-coerced expression is a feature of dictatorships that has no place in a free country
Government-coerced expression is a feature of dictatorships that has no place in a free country
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Pudfark
Re: Nice job of the police there...
Thank You Darkhorse...you are exactly correct.
Nic, I suffered through that read
....
My first impression was that it was written by an impostor...
My second...the same.
My third...no doubt about it.
That being said....about the "impostor"...
Elements of what was written are arguably true.
My overall thoughts?
An ultra-leftist posing as a disgruntled former Tea Partier...
Trying to ingratiate him/herself with OWS folks and
warning them of his/herself intentions to take advantage of
their "movement" and it's vulnerabilities.
The cool thing about "doing things" this way?
Nothing can referenced or verified to disprove it...
Or to prove it...
Here in Texas, we have a word for that?
Bull Shit....
Nic, don't take what is written above, personally.
It is admirable that you have made such an effort
to discover the truth of things.
One thing that I did agree with?
The "unknown" author of the this blog...
Did indirectly hint at?
The total disorganization of OWS and it's vulnerability to infiltration.
Really, that's about all I agreed with....
I hope that you are successful in finding a reputable source of information
on this movement. Whether, I agree with it or not, I would be interested in the read.
Thank You
Nic, I suffered through that read
....My first impression was that it was written by an impostor...
My second...the same.
My third...no doubt about it.
That being said....about the "impostor"...
Elements of what was written are arguably true.
My overall thoughts?
An ultra-leftist posing as a disgruntled former Tea Partier...
Trying to ingratiate him/herself with OWS folks and
warning them of his/herself intentions to take advantage of
their "movement" and it's vulnerabilities.
The cool thing about "doing things" this way?
Nothing can referenced or verified to disprove it...
Or to prove it...
Here in Texas, we have a word for that?
Bull Shit....
Nic, don't take what is written above, personally.
It is admirable that you have made such an effort
to discover the truth of things.
One thing that I did agree with?
The "unknown" author of the this blog...
Did indirectly hint at?
The total disorganization of OWS and it's vulnerability to infiltration.
Really, that's about all I agreed with....
I hope that you are successful in finding a reputable source of information
on this movement. Whether, I agree with it or not, I would be interested in the read.
Thank You