Now Here's Something the OWS/Dems could Change...

[Pudfark]

Below is an outstanding example of what could be Changed.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/ ... 2871057259

LEBillfish

Posted Tue October 11 2011 12:17

Originally posted by Pudfark:
How many "California" tenants does it take to change a light bulb?

Posted by K_Freddie: - One holds the bulb in the socket, the other 2 hold the first tennant and turn him until the bulb is securely in place...


Posted by LEBillfish: "You is wrong...be sure...

It takes thousands...

Upon notice of changing a lightbulb the California EPA sets up a committee to determine the environmental impact due to increased energy consumption, environmental warming, etc. etc..

Cal-OSHA then must look into the hazards regarding standing upon a ladder to do so, naturally forcing the landlord to purchase safety glasses, hardhat, safety harness, etc..

The Lightbulb Changers Union, Local 314 steps in protesting the loss of work and won't let the project continue till Union Labor is used on the job...Naturally they determine it takes 11 workers at top scale.

Greenpeace and Sierra Club band together to have a thousand person sit-in to protest the ultimate increase in ambient temperatures and it causing melting of the icecaps due to global warming killing the whales.

Naturally the above forces California based NOAA to determine affects on tides, sea level height and so on, with various state marine biology units mustered to determine the effects on whales and other sea life.

PETA of course is outraged over the abuse of "Cockroach & Rat Friendly low light areas" and gains court orders to cease and desist until they can be relocated.

The Rainbow Coalition out of SanFran. protests because bright hallways are not gay friendly, in kind the ACLU and NAACP take offence at "light is better then dark", and all the usual suspects jet in to rally.

Of Course the California Orange Growers are happy because it improves their season length by 1/1,000,000,000,000 of a second and file suit against the Napa Wine makers who try to shorten it.

Always a problem, illegal immigrant workers clash with closed border groups as they try to get the job and do it for less, which naturally gets the feds involved due to NAFTA issues.

etc.etc. till finally the Governor must send in the national guard and declare martial law while petitioning the Federal Government for additional funds to deal with the unrest and disaster relief....Naturally ending up with a grant in the billions of which $37.14 makes it out to help the masses.

On and on, you name it they get involved....The hippies, bikers, tree huggers, rednecks, Vegans (as it takes a lot of burgers to feed everyone).....

.......and in the end the apartment building problem that spilled over to a city wide issue, demanding county action, requiring state intervention and federal relief....Could of all been avoided if Treetop64 just had a flashlight.

(Naturally he would of bought it at WalMart meaning a whole slew of anti-Chinese/buy american protests yet that's his problem).

Ahh California......I have a solution:

One good quake and my Nevada beachfront property will finally pay off."

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/ ... 2871057259

Y'all want "change"? Fix what LEBillfish wrote about regulations....You lib's are the ones who
screwed it up....much like the light bulb in the link above...

[callmeslick]

yet, survey after survey(including ones conducted by the Chamber of Commerce itself) show that the VAST
majority of business owners find regulations to be ZERO barrier to business success. They cite customer demand and political bickering first and second, consistently.

[Pudfark]

Me thinks you missed the point...by about 4200 miles...
How about all the folks jumping in...where it ain't there bidness?
How about the cluster feck in the courts...and the expense?
And you wanna know why we're broke and fouled up?
Thanx fer the answer...now I know why we is still broke and fouled up

[callmeslick]

Here is the problem that OWS is seeking redress for:
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wal ... t-2011-10#


and this doesn't even give data for the massively unfair advantage given to inherited wealth.

[Pudfark]

Here is the problem that OWS is seeking redress for:
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wal ... t-2011-10#


and this doesn't even give data for the massively unfair advantage given to inherited wealth.

Ah..... The flip side of the coin..on entitlement...and how would you fix that? Objectively?

[callmeslick]

Ah..... The flip side of the coin..on entitlement...and how would you fix that? Objectively?

what? The inherited weath thing? Easy. Take the viewpoint of the very late Andrew Carnegie, and tax the bejeepers out of inheritances. Now, Carnegie proposed a 90% Federal Inheritance tax, which clearly would never get passed, but the current idea of 40% of everything over $3 million is fair, and needs to be coupled with a tax code that taxes cap gains and dividend income the exact same rate as earned income. Also, return to the 1950's type of graduation on the income tax, scaled for inflation, and take 85-90% of all income over $2 million per year. Those changes aren't going, in any way, to impoverish the wealthy, but they will level the playing field, and remove most of the incentive behind paying CEO's 400 times the salary of the regular workers at the same time. Funny thing, the nation did really well, both rich and not-so-rich folks, when the rules were similar, and conversely, things are getting uglier by the day since we changed to the current mess.

[Pudfark]

How would that affect your heirs?

[callmeslick]

How would that affect your heirs?

They would lose 40% of my estate over $3 million dollars, presuming I don't get all stupid and lose a bunch, that would mean 40% of about $5 million, or $2,000,000. Yes, it's a real hit, but compared to the economic
screw-over that the other 95% of the population has been on the receiving end, a small price to pay for our country. Also, bear in mind, I can divvy up the estate so that multiple people inherit less than $3 million each, so when all is said and done no substantial hit at all, presuming all three logical heirs don't piss me off.

[Pudfark]

That was exactly my point....you made.
What good is changing the law and allowing loopholes/advantages like that?

Therein lies the problem...? Trust funds etc....

When ya take away the carrot? The mule don't pull.

I can see Lost Wages (Las Vegas) packed full of old folks....just throwing it away...before the government gets it...Time to invest in reverse mortgages....and so forth....

That's why I like flat taxes. Perhaps some to consideration to Federal Property tax? Thoughts?

[callmeslick]

That's why I like flat taxes. Perhaps some to consideration to Federal Property tax? Thoughts?

Flat tax is a fine idea, saves a lot of bureaucracy, too. To make it fair to the lower end of the spectrum, you just exempt the first $30,000 or so in earnings. National Property Tax? Assessment would be a bear, it's dicey enough now on a local level. Not saying that it wouldn't be a good thing, or bad, but that it would be ugly to administer(sort of the direct opposite of the advantage of the Flat Tax). It probably would not be a great idea when real estate(largest single property owned) prices are hurting, as the tax would further depress values.