Hope & Change vs Past & Present

[CUDA]

Pud has a valid point. in regards to my previous comments on the government affecting speculators. how much did the failure of Keystone affect prices, or the lack of permits on federal land. or the banning or drilling in the gulf?? or the comments of the current energy secretary just a few weeks ago? you know all those things didn't help the current prices.

[Reservoir_Dog]

As for the Keystone pipeline, that deal will get done as soon as they can re-route it away from an aquifer that supplies 20 million people with drinking water.

Oh, come on, Slick.... who gives a flying fuck about providing 20 million people with clean drinking water as long as good ol' Canadian oil can be piped to the Gulf of Mexico!

"I'll get us that oil from Canada that we deserve."

Deserve? Really? Deserve?
Perhaps Canada should just sell our oil to someone else and you can go fuck yourself, thank you very much!
And by the way, we won't bother selling you any of our vast supply of drinking water after you've destroyed all yours either!

[callmeslick]

Pud has a valid point. in regards to my previous comments on the government affecting speculators. how much did the failure of Keystone affect prices, or the lack of permits on federal land. or the banning or drilling in the gulf?? or the comments of the current energy secretary just a few weeks ago? you know all those things didn't help the current prices.

none of those things affected the spot prices....don't believe me, ask anyone investing in those markets. Everything you cite deals with LONG-TERM supplies, and the spot price is a 6-month out market.

[ruggbutt]

You'd be wrong again Slick. When Bush announced his tax cuts gas prices went down. When Obama was elected gas prices went down. When the country believes something positive is happening often times investment trends follow that "feeling" and we see prices rise or fall. Or don't you remember the crash the stock market took right after 9/11?

[callmeslick]

You'd be wrong again Slick. When Bush announced his tax cuts gas prices went down. When Obama was elected gas prices went down. When the country believes something positive is happening often times investment trends follow that "feeling" and we see prices rise or fall. Or don't you remember the crash the stock market took right after 9/11?

yes, moron-boy, I DO remember the post 9/11 crash, in fact that crash, coupled with the post-Enron crunch dropped the level of available speculative capital, leading to lower prices for a little while early in Bush's term. Obama's election, once again had nothing to do with the later drop, it was a near complete lack of speculation money available after the financial market crash of 2008. As I have tried to tell you before, you really don't serve yourself well when you try and expound on subjects you don't understand whatsover. Which, I realize, leaves you a bit short on material, but c'est la vie.......

[callmeslick]

to sum up: speculation dictates the short term oil and gasoline prices. Rumors and pessimism or optimism lead to extreme spikes in the market, but, over time,
the price marches up. It does so for two basic reasons: Supply and demand in a rapidly developing world(think India and China mainly) and(as Pud noted with a bit of accuracy) a slow rise in inflation of the dollar, to which the international price is benchmarked.
This shit isn't rocket surgery, folks, it's just that a lot of people want to make a political football out of a very basic economic process.

[HappyHappy]

Obama must be defeated in any legal way possible.
Propaganda is a favorite tool of the Democrats. Callmesick, you
lie, cheat and twist things at will to make you're Communists Socialist agenda
seem more palatable.

Obama is somewhat at fault for the current problem.
Stupid decisions involving the pipeline and oil drilling
have helped the spot market to rize. No bullshit there
kid, just the facts.

OBAMA IS CAUSING HIGH OIL PRICES TO FURTHER HIS MARXIST AGENDA

Hmmmm, sounds like it may be true, or at least good propaganda.
I will spread the word.


HH

[CUDA]

"You even called me stupid in your verse, and I’m almost agreeing, for where stupidity is involved, you are quite an expert, friend."
-Franz Grillparzer

[callmeslick]

Obama must be defeated in any legal way possible.
Propaganda is a favorite tool of the Democrats.


(followed quickly by)

OBAMA IS CAUSING HIGH OIL PRICES TO FURTHER HIS MARXIST AGENDA

Hmmmm, sounds like it may be true, or at least good propaganda.
I will spread the word.


HH

he who laughs last.....oh, and the current numbers(pos neg difference):


Barack Obama ....................................... 49 37 12
The Democratic Party ............................ 38 36 2
Ron Paul ................................................ 26 31 -5
The Republican Party ............................ 32 43 -11
Mitt Romney ........................................... 28 39 -11
Rick Santorum ....................................... 24 39 -15
Newt Gingrich ........................................ 19 53 -34

[CUDA]

anyone that knows numbers will tell you that sometimes numbers lie.
and if you input bad information you get bad information out.

I tend to look more at history as my guide to how an election will go more than pols. pols are only as good as the questions asked and those questions are ALWAYS slanted. history says Obama will not fair well, especially with unemployment +8% and if gas hit's $5 and the SCOTUS shoots down Obama-care. it will be a VERY tough re-election for him.