Nic?

[nicolas10]

Uh...not sure I get the full meaning of what you are saying?
I don't recall Frances great contribution to the second Gulf War?
Well, other than maybe "sanctioning" it....

Could you send me some links to get me on the page with
the AZF and the Ariane space program stuff.

Chirac didn't go for the islamic terrorist version and "decided" it was an accident...

google it, but its not mainstream news...

[Pudfark]

Not sure I still understand....what difference that would make either way?

Let's say it is true....that one thing brought down your culture, government and economic situation?
Or was it the last 40 or so years of spending and social programs...to include immigration?

Not trying to argue with you....just seeking a better understanding.

[nicolas10]

It's the last 40 years, and I can even say since the end of WWII... when our elites were disposed of and de gaulle paved the way for the communists. All of this was done with massive occult influence from the US, which continues to this day.

We elect traitors because the population is brainwashed by the mass media & by their education (80% of the teachers voted for the socialists, and they would no matter what). People who control the media control who will get elected, and that's how you elect traitors one after the other. The switch right/left gives those retards the illusion of change and the silly hope that things will now get better. Same with the dems/repubes.

Sarkozy is an agent of the US, and that's why I think he should be treated like a traitor.

Nic

[Pudfark]

Ok...I'm getting a better understanding.

Much of what you just said.....has an association/bearing on the U.S. and what is going on here.
My understanding of Sarkozy was that he did have a seemingly pro-US agenda...no argument from me.
However, I read...that Sarkozy was returning to his law practice....in France. It seems to me and others,
the entire EU is in dire financial/political straights...considering the situation of Greece, Spain, Italy and France....Ya'll, are just gonna have to bite the bullet....or sadly, fire the bullet.

You might reconsider your disdain for the Brits....you may be swimming the channel like the Meskins swim
the Rio Grande river....I don't mean that in an ugly way....Just my indelicate way of saying I understand.

[nicolas10]

Pro US agenda would be ok, If the US considered you as a partner and not as your puppet, like they do with every other country, including the UK and Australia. The pretend to be your ally, yet try every dirty trick to influence your society and your policies, be it internal or international.

But Sarkozy was past pro US, he was definately working for the US and against France and the french people. You can't just say that he had a pro-US agenda.

That the guy got out of politics altogether is just a proof that he doesn't actually give a crap about France, and that he was just there to betray us when he could. If he could still work for his masters fine, if he can't, why bother stay in politics?

And yes I'm 100% sure that what happens here happen also in the US. Your elites work for the same persons than ours, but the difference is there are more intermediaries for us.

Nic

[nicolas10]

It seems to me and others,
the entire EU is in dire financial/political straights...considering the situation of Greece, Spain, Italy and France....Ya'll, are just gonna have to bite the bullet....or sadly, fire the bullet.

We are not much worse off than you guys are, debt wise... shit will hit the fan majorly here, but also in the US.

You might reconsider your disdain for the Brits....you may be swimming the channel like the Meskins swim
the Rio Grande river....I don't mean that in an ugly way....Just my indelicate way of saying I understand.

It will be freezing in hell before I flee my country and ask asylum somewhere.

Nic

[Barfly]

We in the US are suffering from the same external pressures as other Western nations, we are not the source... we have a common problem and common enemies to sovereignty. The same banks, industries, unfettered cultural intrusion, pro international world government NGOs that 'buy' undue influence and affect and effect policy in Europe also have impact here, and never so much as with the current administration. Should transformative change occur here, this country could become your enemy - that isn't the case at the moment.

g.

[nicolas10]

We in the US are suffering from the same external pressures as other Western nations, we are not the source... we have a common problem and common enemies to sovereignty. The same banks, industries, unfettered cultural intrusion, pro international world government NGOs that 'buy' undue influence and affect and effect policy in Europe also have impact here, and never so much as with the current administration. Should transformative change occur here, this country could become your enemy - that isn't the case at the moment.

g.

It is, because those people control big chunks of your administration. So most of their influence here goes through the "official" channels. If you managed to kick them out, they'd probably be much easier for us to deal with without the power of the US state behind them. We would have to get rid of the EU though. But that isn't too far fetched when you think about it.

Nic

[Barfly]

I hope we can route them out... I have a feeling we will see voter fraud in the US at a scale never seen before, and the conduits for bad influence will remain.

[nicolas10]

But I totally agree that american people are not the source, as you say, of this pressure. They are victim of those pressures just like we are.

Nic