You Yanks need universal health care

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Barfly wrote:The number of people who can't afford medical insurance does not justify a 'universal' system managed by government.
Exactly. No Justification. No Right.
Reservoir_Dog wrote:
Pudfark wrote:Yup, it's so pathetic...I insure myself. :)
It's so pathetic and unthinkable that others won't.
Here's a word for you, Pud........CAN'T
The difference between won't and can't.
That's what you don't understand or comprehend.
Well pardon me then. Perhaps you don't grasp the concept of
"Won't" as in earlier in life...bad choices etc.
"Can't" as a direct result of the above.

You delight in telling me how ignorant I am ;)
Hell, even I could provide for myself :)
So, it seems...like we're back to "clueless" and "helpless" as
the justification? I don't have a problem in helping the helpless.
It's the "clueless" I resent being mandated to help.
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Here ya go R_D, the relationship between "can't and won't" ;)

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I readily cede/seed the "can't" to you. 8-)
I'll take the "won't". :)
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Barfly wrote:The number of people who can't afford medical insurance does not justify a 'universal' system managed by government.
10 million people, whom we all pay inflated medical care prices for don't justify it? Are you freaking nuts?
Pudfark wrote: Mon May 29, 2017 11:15 am I live in Texas....you live in America.
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We each have common but fundamentally different views of the role of government in society. I believe that healthcare is a commodity and service, not a right, that will best serve those who desire it in a free market environment with limited government interference. Individuals do not have a claim to other's labor or property IMO, including healthcare service.

You believe in the 'right' to the results of someone elses effort, because it is collectively owned to some degree, and distributed as directed by a central authority. What we have now is a hybrid government regulated and managed system, with a large free market component. You think it should be biased towards much more government control, I don't agree, and don't believe there is any evidence to support your general position.

Neither of us is nuts, we just have a difference in opinion. I do think your position is rediculously narrow minded and unsupported by facts, like your supposition that cradle to grave medicare for all is an improvement over what we have.
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Barfly wrote:We each have common but fundamentally different views of the role of government in society. I believe that healthcare is a commodity and service
why does no other nation in the developed world agree with your point of view?

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Neither of us is nuts, we just have a difference in opinion. I do think your position is rediculously narrow minded and unsupported by facts, like your supposition that cradle to grave medicare for all is an improvement over what we have.

hell, quite likely BOTH of us are nuts, trying to post on this forum, but nonetheless: My points are VERY well supported by facts. The US has, by far, the most expensive per capita healthcare system in the world. At the same time, we rank 23rd in overall quality of outcomes on most every unbiased survey. We have lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality, on and on. My supposition, as you call it, is based on one very real fact: Medicare has 1/10 the overhead of the lowest-profit margin insurers on the US market. You wonder about improvement over what we have? Heck, Cuba has better healthcare for working people than we have and that nation is poorer than dirt. Something, many things, are terribly wrong with US healthcare delivery. For folks like me, who can pay for the best, no problem, but heaven help you if you lose your coverage with a job loss at, say, age 50, and try to buy private coverage.
Pud thumps his fucking chest that he buys healthcare for his family, but he was a public employee for years, sucking at the taxpayer's teat, and I am willing to bet that coverage he pays for is available through his public service. This issue is about your fellow citizens going broke because they lost a job, or got denied coverage, or couldn't afford the premiums for a few months.
It matters to me, and it damn well ought to matter to you.
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Other than "the issue matters" to me, I agree with nothing you said above.
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why does no other nation in the developed world agree with your point of view?
Governments that 'own' the healthcare process, sell a favorable view. You must look at it in that light and dig for details, not take the information at face value.
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then Barfly, why do 22 of those nations provide superior healthcare to the entire population of their nations than we do?
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another overlooked issue in this is business competetiveness. In the US, most major business CEOs will gladly tell you, and if you doubt me, just attend the annual stockholder's meeting of any one of them you own stock in, that cost of healthcare is the biggest single thing holding them at competetive disadvantage in the global economy. In other words, if you want to see the economy of the US continue to compete, and do so more successfully, in an increasingly global marketplace, you would be wise to align healthcare insurance and how it's done with your competition.
Pudfark wrote: Mon May 29, 2017 11:15 am I live in Texas....you live in America.
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Barfly wrote:Other than "the issue matters" to me, I agree with nothing you said above.
Mark me down for an enthusiastic "ditto".
callmeslick wrote:then Barfly, why do 22 of those nations provide superior healthcare to the entire population of their nations than we do?
Well...hell, you oughta move there..it'd lower yer blood pressure and ya'd live
longer... ;) Praise the Lord and pass the amminition.... Just teasing you...a dab.
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