Everybody gets a charge....

[Buzz]

Yes, it's Obama's fault, and yes the cost of energy is going up as the Obama administration had PLANNED. Of course you have to have an active interest to discover the shallowly buried, underlying connections here....

With your argument. Why isn't the Volt selling? Gas is high.

[callmeslick]

Barack Obama and Stephen Chu.

nice answer....in other words, you have nothing to offer.

[callmeslick]

and I've been a petroleum investor for decades

Love this quote! I've been a steak eater for decades. Doesn't make me a butcher. Fneb

no, but being a steak eater should, I hope, make you aware of why steak would cost more or less, the quality and to some extent
the cuts, if not the techniques, that a butcher employs. If not, you're a blind consumer, not a wise one. My point, as a investor, is that I've spent a lot of time trying my best to understand the nuts and bolts of the business before investing substantial coin into it. I laid out for Barfly why I feel that government has nothing or very little to do with pricing. He came back with two names, and ZERO explanation. Who is winning the debate, thus far?


aside--I'll take mine medium well, with mushrooms and a nice Merlot on the side, fire up the grill, desert-boy!

[Buzz]

I butcher my elk. Does that count?

[Barfly]

Yes, it's Obama's fault, and yes the cost of energy is going up as the Obama administration had PLANNED. Of course you have to have an active interest to discover the shallowly buried, underlying connections here....

With your argument. Why isn't the Volt selling? Gas is high.

It doesn't sell because even at it's discounted price, it's more expensive and not as good at saving gas as a typical, more traditional hybrid.

[Barfly]

Barack Obama and Stephen Chu.

nice answer....in other words, you have nothing to offer.

I gave you two names to spark your memory, as a test, and you failed:

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/12/g ... skyrocket/
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35840
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/ed ... -pAvg6McPQ
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73138.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... a1gwZYw1cY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

[ruggbutt]

aside--I'll take mine medium well, with mushrooms and a nice Merlot on the side, fire up the grill, desert-boy!

Not a problem. However, we don't do wine here. That's for fags or the FRANCH.

I butcher my elk. Does that count?

Love me some elk steak.

[Pudfark]

You over value investors and under value supply and demand. Restricting oil access and coal fired plants. Supply an demand - the Obama administration stated that under their plans, energy prices would necessarily skyrocket. They seemed to have thought they could affect the market for energy. Have you heard of regulation? No piplines, no drilling on federal land, no such thing as 'clean coal', no Gulf permits. As you are not curious, maybe you will take some direction? Look up EPA and coal plant shutdowns. No, I will not do it for you.

No gulf permits? The number of active permits is at an all-time high. No such thing as 'clean coal'? You clearly haven't read the DOE proposals for clean coal usage. No pipelines? Oh, because the only one for oil proposed in the past 4 years was aimed through a major aquifer? Geez! Find me, if you will, where ANYONE in the administration stated that prices would skyrocket. One.
Any one.
The bottom line is this, and I've been a petroleum investor for decades: Supply is finite(in terms of readily recoverable oil), demand is soaring worldwide, the commodity is traded worldwide. You are lucky that a lot of European players are still hurting, or else you would see $125/bbl oil. Obama has very little to say about the matter, nor would any politician. It's a global marketplace, and China and India are starting to play the game. Get used to it.
Don't believe everything you hear about massive domestic supply. We have very little oil that doesn't cost a shitload to bring up.
Couple that fact with the matching fact that no one seems to want to build refining capacity, and gasoline becomes even more of an issue than oil itself.

Barack Obama and Stephen Chu.

nice answer....in other words, you have nothing to offer.

Seems, readily apparent to all, Slick....You have nothing to offer.

[Buzz]

Yes, it's Obama's fault, and yes the cost of energy is going up as the Obama administration had PLANNED. Of course you have to have an active interest to discover the shallowly buried, underlying connections here....

With your argument. Why isn't the Volt selling? Gas is high.

It doesn't sell because even at it's discounted price, it's more expensive and not as good at saving gas as a typical, more traditional hybrid.

That would be Obama's fault?

[Barfly]

http://articles.ivpressonline.com/2012- ... r_33933648

The Volt was a prototype / technology demonstration project - that wasn't a viable product for GM until they got guarantees for government (the Obama administration) to cover a large part of the cost of producing each unit with taxpayer money. So they build a 100,000 USD car, sell for 40k, and get free money from the government for the difference.

See? The battery technology is mature as it's going to be at this point - industry has been trying to build better batteries forever, and the state of the art is not good enough for this application, nor is there any evidence that this effort is a stepping stone to some impending breakthrough that will result in a better battery powered car. The Volt goes about 35 miles on pure battery, then gets 38 mpg when it has to run on gas. It's ok if you keep in plugged in at home, then just use it to drive around town.... A "feel-good" green experience I guess. A nice product, I've seen a few, but again the taxpayer subsidizes a huge portion of each one, there is no economy of scale coming when people 'catch on' to it's value, such as it is, and no investment in more efficient battery technology coming when you buy one.