Left Wing America Haters Punish Soldiers for Doing Their Job

[callmeslick]

It's a well-known fact?? Really, I guess that means you just made it up. Seeing as how much of the effective tools available to the military, plus the bulk of the programs to provide assistance to veterans were Democratic programs, more out-your-ass bullshit.
I notice that you didn't address the question, either. Put up, or at least man up and admit that the original article had nothing to do with domestic politics.

[ruggbutt]

It has everything to do with domestic politics. Politicians control how ROE's are set for war zones for example. The DNC has hampered military operations and how they are controlled since Vietnam. All the PC bullshit that's in the military is a direct result of Clinton's time in office. All of this has trickled down not only to the military but to any government job. Men have to tiptoe around what they say and go out of their way to not be misunderstood or there will be hell to pay. We don't want a minority or a woman to be offended. As for the alleged punch in the stomach, I call bullshit. The SEALs could have accepted the captain's mast (non-judicial punishment) and it wouldn't have even been an issue on their permanent records. But they chose court martial so something is seriously wrong with the charges. No career soldier (no one goes SEAL for one enlistment) would risk his job with a court martial unless they knew they were in the right and that they were being persecuted unfairly. Whether you like it or not Slick, your boy is at the helm and the Dems were a majority 2 years before. This is a direct result of their leadership. The left in Congress are the ones that want to take Guantanamo detainees and give them civilian trials, even though they were caught on the battlefield as enemy combatants. Now these particular terrorists are playing the system in the same manner as the Gitmo crowd. The fact is that enemy combatants don't have the same rights as a civilian here in the states.

Either way, you don't get it. Your values are fucked and you'll tow the party line even when common sense smacks you upside the head and says "something ain't right". Problem is, you're lacking in the common sense department. The terrorists that have filed the charges are directly responsible for civilian and military deaths. There's no discussion needed for that, it's been proven. But much like the felon who files frivolous lawsuits just to clog the system these terrorists are pulling the same bullshit. And the left are allowing enemy combatants to be treated like a citizen. That's your party's doing.

[callmeslick]

I won't even quote the above drivel. Sorry.
The facts are this:
After Abu Gharib happened, the US military and government have been in damage control mode. Why? Because, having invaded Iraq on dubious pretenses, we are perceived by a huge chunk of the Muslim world as a modern version of the Crusaders. Right or wrong, this perception will be used to endanger our troops, and defeat our long term goals of stable relations with the Middle Eastern Muslim nations, and Muslims as a whole, who DO make up around 25 percent of humanity. Abu Gharib was a disgrace, and a menace to the mission on a treasonous level. Maybe you find it to be trivial, but those folks we are trying to win over clearly do not. Fast forward to more recent times, and you are left with a situation where the military is almost over-compensating to avoid the slightest appearance of wrongdoing, in the handling of detainees.
Now, do I think the Navy over-reacted on this one? Of course, and there are other examples. Does military bureaucracy hamper day-to-day operations? Clearly. Hell, note the case of those 3 soldiers that got 20 to 40 year sentences for executing terrorist snipers(recent coverage of case on CNN, covered elsewhere before that). Their whole issue was that policy was returning to the streets detainees who clearly were actively harming US troops. Oh, and this occurred during a GOP administration, so hold off on the 'Dems hate the military BS'....in fact, Obama commuted the sentences to around 1/3 the original length.
And, that last sentence points up your other ridiculous claim: "The Dems don't support the troops". Lets look at that for a moment, clearly....The Dems are the source of the first GI bill, the new GI bill, increased funding for medical research into rehabilitation and prostheses. They are the ones who have led the fight to kill wasteful military hardware spending and focus on practical matters such as body armor and timely supply.
The GOP, for years, have seemed to focus on huge building programs that enrich their stateside corporate buddies, and the GOP idea of caring for the troops is to slash medical and mental health staffing at the VA and give Halliburton no-bid contracts to service warzones. Oh, and let's overlook all that 'civilian security contractor' stuff like Blackwater, where we not only piss away money to enrich the Good Christian executive staff, but unleash paid mercenaries on a populace on which the goal is to win hearts and minds. You see, Rugg, the GOP and it's bootlicking lackies like to talk about Dems and defense of the troops, but it is empty rhetoric. No, I'm putting it too mildly....it's flagrant, lying bullshit.
Thanks for adding to the steaming pile....

[callmeslick]

And the left are allowing enemy combatants to be treated like a citizen. That's your party's doing.

I take it back.....
I will quote this little gem. The people proposed to be tried in NYC(civilian Federal Court) are alleged to be responsible for acts of terrorism WITHIN THE US. And, as such, are to be tried as criminals. Where they were captured is irrelevant, where they were held is irrelevant. They are not treated as citizens, because, if found not guilty, they will not be released to reside here. They are being treated as any foreigner who commits a crime is treated. Why?? Because the moral high ground this nation has always occupied has, as it's cornerstone, the right to a fair, public trial. Don't like that?? Might I suggest any of a host of other nations to go live in, where folks don't enjoy that privilege. Otherwise, a healthy cup of STFU might be the more American thing to do. It gets so tiresome that those who claim patriotism show no regard for the morality upon which the US has been founded, and thrived upon. Spare me, please.

[ruggbutt]

And the left are allowing enemy combatants to be treated like a citizen. That's your party's doing.

I take it back.....
I will quote this little gem. The people proposed to be tried in NYC(civilian Federal Court) are alleged to be responsible for acts of terrorism WITHIN THE US.

Incorrect. The DNC has pushed and pushed and will finally get it's wish to have Guantanamo detainees tried in American court.

Where they were captured is irrelevant

Incorrect. Look at WW2 when we had German prisoners. They were held by military authority. The trials for crimes against humanity were held in a military court. The people in Guantanamo are there for being caught during the occupation firing upon our soldiers. It's not a civil matter. It's not a criminal matter. It's a military matter.

It gets so tiresome that those who claim patriotism show no regard for the morality upon which the US has been founded, and thrived upon. Spare me, please.

Again, you assume it's a civilian matter, it isn't. The last deserter that was punished (and executed) was given his sentence by a military court. Civilian courts do not have any jurisdiction over military matters. What you just don't get is there is a demarcation between civilian and military. If the crime takes place on American soil today then civilian courts handle it. The Guantanamo detainees weren't shooting at our soldiers in Wisconsin............

[callmeslick]

Incorrect. The DNC has pushed and pushed and will finally get it's wish to have Guantanamo detainees tried in American court.

sorry, but quite a few Republicans have agreed with the concept for years. Where do you get this 'DNC' shit? And, for that matter, what clue about the Democratic National Committee do you have? You've demonstrated none, to date.

Incorrect. Look at WW2 when we had German prisoners. They were held by military authority. The trials for crimes against humanity were held in a military court. The people in Guantanamo are there for being caught during the occupation firing upon our soldiers. It's not a civil matter. It's not a criminal matter. It's a military matter.

apples and oranges. We are talking about destruction of US property, and killing US civilian citizens.
Utterly no comparison, and throw in, for good measure, that trying Germans after the fall of any functional
government required a separate court. Some folks are in Guantanamo for firing on our troops. No one is suggesting that they go anywhere near the Federal Court system. Others are there, captured as suspects in stateside terrorist acts, and those folks should be in Federal Court. A large number are merely held, without charge, without any real attempt to sort out their crimes or culpability. Many have suggested that they either be released, or go before a Federal judge to establish their status. On that, there might be considerable debate over military or civilian jurisdiction. However, our system is very specific that they not be held without charges, for an unspecified time. And, it is the integrity of our system of justice that is at stake, as it is a key foundation of the nation as a whole.

Again, you assume it's a civilian matter, it isn't. The last deserter that was punished (and executed) was given his sentence by a military court. Civilian courts do not have any jurisdiction over military matters. What you just don't get is there is a demarcation between civilian and military. If the crime takes place on American soil today then civilian courts handle it. The Guantanamo detainees weren't shooting at our soldiers in Wisconsin............

see the above, which I wrote. The folks heading to the docket in NYC ARE accused of crimes taking place on American soil. So, I figure, you really agree with trying them there, correct?

[callmeslick]

...and, I note, with some amusement, that Ruggie STILL hasn't explained how a rejected military reprimand, that becomes a court-martial proceeding, equals 'left wing America Haters punish Soldiers for Doing their Job"
Good God! Has the Naval officer corps been overrun by 'Left Wing America Haters'?? Where is HeavyDelta when you need him?

[ruggbutt]

The folks heading to the docket in NYC ARE accused of crimes taking place on American soil. So, I figure, you really agree with trying them there, correct?

I have no issue with that. It would be a violation of Posse Comitatus any way. But I wasn't talking about the ones on the docket. I was talking about how your crew (DNC) wants to give civilian trials to everyone being held at Gitmo.

[callmeslick]

I was talking about how your crew (DNC) wants to give civilian trials to everyone being held at Gitmo.

ok, now I understand. You were talking about a notion with no fact to back it up(NEVER has anyone suggested that battlefield combatants be given civilian trials. Obama wants tribunals, with a revamped
set of rules). In other words, you are simply making stuff up. I guess that IS easier than actually answering my question about your initial claim, regarding the Navy Seals.

[ruggbutt]

The liberal agenda has trickled down into the military. Your crew are touchy feely don't offend anyone types of politicians. Just like the liberal agenda has trickled down into the schools it's made it's way into every bit of society. Can't offend anyone cuz people will be calling for you to lose your job. People want to take away your means of earning a living cuz you said something offensive. Or if you happen to be in Denver and oppose the DNC's wishes you get to go to jail. Or someone says you're a separatist and accuses you of treason.....................

I never heard the GOP pitch a fit cuz a few ragheads weren't treated with kid gloves when they were incarcerated.