So they are tying to blame Al-Queda

[Soapy]

And a grand total of ONE of the 9/11 hijackers had the name Mohamed.

You missed my point. All of those are arabic names. How about we dispense with the political correctness and take a closer look when allowing people with these names in the country. Slick will prolly point out the whole Tim McVeigh thing. I'm all for keeping an eye on the Irish who wanna enter as well. And the next time a bunch of old white haired white women hijack and plane and try to blow it up then maybe we should take a look at them as well. But until then let's go with what is most likely to work.

How would that work with your current president's name then ?

I'm all for keeping an eye on the Irish who wanna enter as well

Oh really ? ( or O'Reilly ? ) your fear and bigotry extends to a huge amount of current Americans who happen to have a shared ancestry with one nutjob? And would forget and ignore the contribution made by the same kind of people?

Is it worth the time to search for American born looneys with Dutch/German/French/Hungarian etc etc names just to add to your exclusion list? If we did, who would be left?

Rugg, you have a weird, yet simplistic outlook on how to keep your country safe. I imagine the United States of Ruggbutt would consist of only white people with Anglo Saxon names who all go to the same church and like to shoot cats. Maybe you should form your own isolated and insular republic right now, out on a cat/irish/mex/muslim free ranch where you have big guns, wear fur hats in the summer, and all share the same grandparents

Back to the the actual story. Good call on the people who jumped on the bomber, I hope when they used the fire extinguisher, they also gave him a good smack on the face with it. The new way to get the weapon on target it seems, is not to strap it around you, but to have it implanted in your thigh. How are we going to deal with that kind of terrorist? Apart from incisions and X rays ?

[callmeslick]

IF THE AVERAGE PERSON CANT PRONOUNCE IT THEN YOUR NOT ALLOWED IN.

that would rule out most any name trickier than Bob.........beware the 'average person'...

[callmeslick]

Is it worth the time to search for American born looneys with Dutch/German/French/Hungarian etc etc names just to add to your exclusion list? If we did, who would be left?

me, for one. Then again, under those rules, Ruggie is outta here! That's right, Soapy, what we 'Merrikans need to do is go back and eliminate anyone without direct male-line relatives named in the 1700 Colonial census. Those of us left behind will each get to keep one nuclear weapon from the arsenal, and the Indians get all the casinos. Make that Native Americans. Oh, and the real Indians can stay and run the convenience stores.....
Yeah, that Ruggie is on to something, I tell ya!! (where is the abject sarcasm smiley?)

[ruggbutt]

How would that work with your current president's name then ?

I'm all for deporting him.

Oh really ? ( or O'Reilly ? ) your fear and bigotry extends to a huge amount of current Americans who happen to have a shared ancestry with one nutjob? And would forget and ignore the contribution made by the same kind of people?

That part was tongue in cheek. Slick loves to bring up McVeigh and ignore completely the 21 guys that took down the trade centers. Hell, the government ignores the fact that McVeigh was in the Ryder truck with a person of middle eastern descent. Actually, they don't ignore it. They've covered it up.

How are we going to deal with that kind of terrorist?

Don't let any foreigners in at all. Period. Close the damn borders and background check everyone who wants to enter. For feck's sake, the government knows all about it's citizens. How about they look as close and spy on those who want to come into the country as hard as they spy on those that were born here? (unabashed Patriot Act reference......)

[Soapy]

Don't let any foreigners in at all. Period. Close the damn borders and background check everyone who wants to enter. For feck's sake, the government knows all about it's citizens. How about they look as close and spy on those who want to come into the country as hard as they spy on those that were born here? (unabashed Patriot Act reference......)

Again a simplistic arguement mate. Trade would suffer, import and exports etc won't work if you don't let people in, tourism too, so unless you really want to close the borders ( and they are not just geographical, also intelectual ) you are on a bad slope there ( no pun intended ) .

Good laws and legislation works most of the time, harsh laws and legislation might work all of the time but also create more resentment in the long run. You can't stop a looney with a bomb and no plan, you might be able to stop a plot with good intel and no political interference. You can never prevent against every threat, only some of the most likely, balanced out with the gain or loss of what your protection or defence might cost your own people.

The Freedoms we have in the West, do mean that we will have incursions and attacks, it is the price our societies pay for being able to do pretty much anything we want ( within reason ). If we start becoming insular and defensive, then we will turn into the same kind of nutters that we want to be protected from in the first place.

And that is only part of the issue. The other one is that political and economical elites lap this shit up. They love being the solution to the problem ( sometimes they might create the problem in the first place to benefit from it ). If you look at certain parts of the Elite like Insurance companies for instance, they trade on fear and threat.

I do agree that in this instance, something went wrong ( apart from the bomber being an idiot, and some passengers jumping on the fekker ), and that needs to be looked at closely. I wasn't surprised that some arsehole tried this type of attack, in fact it was almost a logical conclusion to the tightening of security from the last 9 years or so.

The more fences you put up, the more the buggers learn to jump over or dig under them.

At the end of the day, this dude failed, burned his leg off and some people with balls jumped him on the plane ( I doubt that anyone on a plane with hijackers these days would follow the old rules of avoiding eye contact and waiting it out, after 9/11...) so it was a kind of Xmas miracle for those on that flight ( and good on them ) With a bit of luck, this might put the aggressors off for next time, or, they will be a little more clever. Either way, how much do you want to give up to stop them?

[fatman]

Slick will prolly point out the whole Tim McVeigh thing. I'm all for keeping an eye on the Irish who wanna enter as well.

Well as harsh as it may seem im all for more McVeighs, a citizen calling the government out so that they will listen specially when its their ass on the line. And i dont necessarily have a problem with them if they came and went for legit targets cant play away from home all the time.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants

[Soapy]

Slick will prolly point out the whole Tim McVeigh thing. I'm all for keeping an eye on the Irish who wanna enter as well.

Well as harsh as it may seem im all for more McVeighs, a citizen calling the government out so that they will listen specially when its their ass on the line. And i dont necessarily have a problem with them if they came and went for legit targets cant play away from home all the time.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants

Stick a turban on mate, you are sounding just like the people you dont want to be.

[ginger_cat]

Re: So they are tying to blame Al-Queda

I blame myself. If only I'd done more

[Pudfark]

Folks...Ruggstir does have a point...albeit, a little crude and very direct...

Here's a couple of points to ponder:

Great Wall of China...it was pretty effective for a bunch of centuries....
Berlin Wall in East Germany....while it was up...
How about Japan's immigration policy (current)..no immigration and no property rights?
What has happend to England, France and Germany with their liberal immigration?
What was the purpose of "locking up" all the folks of Japanese descent during WWII in the U.S.?
How many and what kind of folks were permitted to immigrate to the U.S. in WWII?

I could go on....but, this country is at "war"? With terrorists and within itself...

Old Pudfark sez: "If'n theys rat sign in the sugar bowel, keep the lid on"

[callmeslick]

Here's a couple of points to ponder:

Great Wall of China...it was pretty effective for a bunch of centuries....

yeah, but they were the 4th and 5th centuries.

Berlin Wall in East Germany....while it was up...
How about Japan's immigration policy (current)..no immigration and no property rights?
What has happend to England, France and Germany with their liberal immigration?
What was the purpose of "locking up" all the folks of Japanese descent during WWII in the U.S.?
How many and what kind of folks were permitted to immigrate to the U.S. in WWII?

I could go on....but, this country is at "war"? With terrorists and within itself...

good point there at the end. If we could only prevent that 'within itself' part. It would help if we could
exile the xenophobes and fear-mongers.....