America's most miserable cities

[Pudfark]

This link is safe fer children:

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45lmh ... roit-mich/

The top twenty are listed above.
Y'all Yankees put up with a lot of shit.

[Barfly]

Interesting... I lived in downtown Detroit just after the riots in the late 60s (68?); it was a dump back then and only went downhill. Also lived in #3, Rockford, IL. Which was a decaying industrial city when I was there in the mid 70s; it was third largest city in the US in industrial output in WW2 (from what I recall). It still had some nice parks and new development when I lived there, but not much since. A study of cities in decay would be interesting, but no one would do that.

[Pudfark]

You're right about them not doing that study.

Makes me wonder?
Politically?
If the common denominator is?
They're all run (down) by the Democrats?

Sure as hell...they ain't being fixed by the Dems.

[callmeslick]

actually, Detroit and Flint are under the control of the Republican governor of Michigan, two of the Californina cities have GOP mayors and NYC is run by an independant, on the heels of a Republican. No political pattern whatsoever. Common denominators? Except for NYC and Chicago, particularly hard hit by economics of the past decade or two. As for Chi-town and the Big Apple, I find those interesting choices, as I know folks who would never live anywhere else. Each to their own. I'm happy here.

[Barfly]

"Actually...." implies a following statement supported with fact, which you then don't provide. You could have just said "it's always the Repbulican's fault" or "Nuh ugh" without using so many words.

Detroit has had Democrat mayors continuously since 1962:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit

Only recently has the State of Michigan considered taking over Detroit:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/us/re ... .html?_r=0

That's in the last couple weeks.. I don't think they've done anything yet. If you want to imply that the State government has been responsible or that the Mayors have not, you have not made your point.

[Pudfark]

actually, Detroit and Flint are under the control of the Republican governor of Michigan, two of the Californina cities have GOP mayors and NYC is run by an independant, on the heels of a Republican. No political pattern whatsoever. Common denominators? Except for NYC and Chicago, particularly hard hit by economics of the past decade or two. As for Chi-town and the Big Apple, I find those interesting choices, as I know folks who would never live anywhere else. Each to their own. I'm happy here.

Since when? Do Governor's control cities?
The rest of what ya wrote is just blather.....

[callmeslick]

actually, Detroit and Flint are under the control of the Republican governor of Michigan, two of the Californina cities have GOP mayors and NYC is run by an independant, on the heels of a Republican. No political pattern whatsoever. Common denominators? Except for NYC and Chicago, particularly hard hit by economics of the past decade or two. As for Chi-town and the Big Apple, I find those interesting choices, as I know folks who would never live anywhere else. Each to their own. I'm happy here.

Since when? Do Governor's control cities?

under Michigan law, the legislature can declare an urban area distressed, and such cities are run by the Executive branch of the State(governor).
Flint has been under that rule for a long time, Detroit more recently.
Oh, the rest of what I wrote was dead-accurate. You are seeing economic conditions, not mayoral decision making. In other words, no political party got GM to close up in Flint, nor did any one party cause the housing collapse that killed parts of California.

[Pudfark]

actually, Detroit and Flint are under the control of the Republican governor of Michigan, two of the Californina cities have GOP mayors and NYC is run by an independant, on the heels of a Republican. No political pattern whatsoever. Common denominators? Except for NYC and Chicago, particularly hard hit by economics of the past decade or two. As for Chi-town and the Big Apple, I find those interesting choices, as I know folks who would never live anywhere else. Each to their own. I'm happy here.

Since when? Do Governor's control cities?

under Michigan law, the legislature can declare an urban area distressed, and such cities are run by the Executive branch of the State(governor).
Flint has been under that rule for a long time, Detroit more recently.
Oh, the rest of what I wrote was dead-accurate. You are seeing economic conditions, not mayoral decision making. In other words, no political party got GM to close up in Flint, nor did any one party cause the housing collapse that killed parts of California.

Bullshit, again.
Spending more than yer taking in, is the economic decision.
Mayors and "city councils" make the budgets.
You make the excuses.
That don't make it right.
It makes it "left", as in, folks will be leaving that crap.
Like Barfly did.

[callmeslick]

Bullshit, again.
Spending more than yer taking in, is the economic decision.
Mayors and "city councils" make the budgets.
You make the excuses.
That don't make it right.
It makes it "left", as in, folks will be leaving that crap.
Like Barfly did.

long term budgets get made, then economies tank, leaving a deficit. Like with a Federal budget, you can't get out of the collapse without spending money.
Many of those towns, btw, aren't broke, just in a depressed state, with low services and such.

[Pudfark]

Bullshit, again.
Spending more than yer taking in, is the economic decision.
Mayors and "city councils" make the budgets.
You make the excuses.
That don't make it right.
It makes it "left", as in, folks will be leaving that crap.
Like Barfly did.

long term budgets get made, then economies tank, leaving a deficit. Like with a Federal budget, you can't get out of the collapse without spending money.
Many of those towns, btw, aren't broke, just in a depressed state, with low services and such.

Where is all that "spending" working? 13 million more folks on food stamps
"aren't broke".....yet. Like, Detroit?

Old Pudfark sez: " Ain't nuthin like a little negative amortization to fix yer financial problems...just like our unemployment benefits, who needs a job, when ya can just borrow some more.... "