Single Payer blues...

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Single Payer blues...

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... h-GPs.html

National Health SHAMBLES: Three damning reports describe mothers abandoned during labour, serious hospital blunders every day and how patients have lost faith in their GPs
Public confidence in the NHS at record low following run of inquiries
A quarter of new mothers say they were abandoned by their midwives
Some NHS consulting rooms were found to be infested with maggots
Police probe into cover-up claims on cancer treatment waiting times
Blunder doctors carried out heart surgery on the wrong patient
Another man had laser surgery on his right eye rather than his left


Once ObamaCare sucks it's last dying breath?
The above, is the direction you're gonna be shoved in.

Mean time, Obama is "up" in Hawaii, the Brit's are up in arms, 5.5 + million American's are up shit creek, China's up on the moon and R_D's head is up his ? ;)
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ever read the annual report on such snafus in YOUR OWN nation, Pud? I think you'll find that human error rears it's ugly head everywhere. If anything, what you cited is the effect of slashing government in response to a recession, but not enough details in the article to make that anything but speculation.
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The obvious big difference between the two you mention is :

1. The average Brit has no choice, no recourse and no advocate for substandard care, if any care.

2. The average American, still does, to some degree, although, admittedly, less after Jan. 1
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Pudfark wrote:The obvious big difference between the two you mention is :

1. The average Brit has no choice, no recourse and no advocate for substandard care, if any care.
not true, they can sue like you can.
2. The average American, still does, to some degree, although, admittedly, less after Jan. 1
not true, either. Two for two, Pud!
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callmeslick wrote:
Pudfark wrote:The obvious big difference between the two you mention is :

1. The average Brit has no choice, no recourse and no advocate for substandard care, if any care.
not true, they can sue like you can.
2. The average American, still does, to some degree, although, admittedly, less after Jan. 1
not true, either. Two for two, Pud!
:lol: Go sue the government..... :lol:

Since yer conveniently being willfully ignorant I'll explain #2 ( ;) ) to enlighten you. After the 1st of this year, the majority of Americans will have a very limited choice as to "their" Doctor, Hospital, Deductible, Plan and Premium. The good news is? They don't have to sue the government, they can still sue the Doc and hospital and they will, often. I'd explain more...however, you're so full of #2, until you lighten the load? I'm unable to feed ya more info. Last little tidbit....of course that doesn't include the 5.5 + million folks, who will have nothing to sue or pursue. Yeah, I know, you don't give a "rats ass". :)
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Pudfark wrote:[Since yer conveniently being willfully ignorant I'll explain #2 ( ;) ) to enlighten you. After the 1st of this year, the majority of Americans will have a very limited choice as to "their" Doctor, Hospital, Deductible, Plan and Premium.
not at all true. Most plans out there have a VERY generous choice of Doctors and Hospitals(isolated horror stories on Fox aside), Deductables available between exchanges and private purchase range from 0 to 5000 dollars, plans are numerous and premiums, as always, are subject to insurer and regulators. In short, little has changed, except: 1. You can't be sold a shitty policy that caps your benefits at a low level or doesn't pay for hospitalization.
2. You can't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions.
3. The price rises annually are capped by law.

as usual, you are relying on made-up 'facts' and reality doesn't support your claims. Also, and I'd love a Brit to chime in, you CAN sue the National Health service and people have.
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callmeslick wrote:
Pudfark wrote:[Since yer conveniently being willfully ignorant I'll explain #2 ( ;) ) to enlighten you. After the 1st of this year, the majority of Americans will have a very limited choice as to "their" Doctor, Hospital, Deductible, Plan and Premium.
not at all true. Most plans out there have a VERY generous choice of Doctors and Hospitals(isolated horror stories on Fox aside), Deductables available between exchanges and private purchase range from 0 to 5000 dollars, plans are numerous and premiums, as always, are subject to insurer and regulators. In short, little has changed, except: 1. You can't be sold a shitty policy that caps your benefits at a low level or doesn't pay for hospitalization.
2. You can't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions.
3. The price rises annually are capped by law.

as usual, you are relying on made-up 'facts' and reality doesn't support your claims. Also, and I'd love a Brit to chime in, you CAN sue the National Health service and people have.
So, the above "holds" true to the 5.5 + million folks currently kicked out of their plan by ObamaCare?
Ya know the good folks who had some healthcare and now don't. The same folks who can't get ObamaCare in time...the ones whose families will have nothing to rely on come the 1st? The ones who were "screwed" and by circumstance, in the interim, should calamity, illness or disaster strike? Now, are all faced with "bankruptcy"? Ya know the same reason you stated a couple of years ago...loose quote "It isn't right for people to have to file bankruptcy to get health care"....and now courtesy of ObamaCare, six million folks more...are in the same boat, that weren't originally? This is your solution?

Oh Yeah....and ya get to fine them too.... :D
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Here's a fun read from some Happy Brits on the NHS:
http://www.nhs.uk/choiceintheNHS/Rights ... aints.aspx

Here's their comments:

PT8888 said on 15 December 2013

Had a reoccurrence of a slipped disc yesterday (Saturday).
Totally laid up, unable to move & living on my own.
Simply wanted a prescription for some pain killers which I’ve had before to treat the same problem.
As it was out of hours, so I had to call 111.
People were quite helpful…but wanted to call in the paramedics. Said I didn’t want paramedics, just a prescription for some pain killers.
Eventually, they accepted what I was asking & said a local doctor would call back.
Local doctor finally phoned back.
Went through entire history AGAIN.
He said a prescription would be available at a nearby hospital (Warwick) if someone could collect it.
Family member went to the hospital whereby they refused to issue any prescription or even discuss why (as they put it …”patient confidentiality”!!)
Family member handed phone to the receptionist at Warwick. She said I was supposed to have attended an appointment there (for the prescription?!!) Yet they KNEW I was laid on my back unable to move.
She still insisted she wouldn’t hand over the prescription because ‘the computer wouldn’t authorise it’ (sounds like Little Britain doesn’t it??)
I got so sick of trying to talk common sense with the woman, I asked her to hand the phone back & forget about it all.
So, here I am. Still laid up on my back. Still no medication..
…..and how much has this wasted peoples’ time & NHS money??
Absolutely bloody useless!
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Chantale98 said on 06 December 2013

I just want to be able to get an appointment at my doctor's for my 3 year old son. Is that too much to ask?
He has had a cough for about a week and a half which shows no sign of going. I have to call on the day at 9am for an appointment on that day which is fine. So I call up at 9am today (Friday) and there are no appointments. The next available appointment is Tuesday evening. Guess what? I have to call up on Tuesday morning to get an appointment. They do not pre book at all.

This is not the first time I have had issues with them. Once I tried to get an appointment for my son and between myself and my mum, we tried over 60 times but the phone was constantle engaged. By the time I got through, there were no appointments.

I have had countless issues with the doctor's surgery. Most of the time with the receptionists being unhelpful as well new systems not working properly.

This is why people go to the emergency departments in hospitals. They just cannot get a doctor's appointment. The receptionists are rude and don't care about the patients. Extremely unhelpful most of the time and they ave no empathy.
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Amaryllis115 said on 04 December 2013

I was given a number in Dover 2 years ago and was put on a list to be allocated an NHS dental surgeon.
I've heard absolutely nothing.

At least can you update the information you give concerning nhs dentists available in and around Ramsgate Kent and ensure it's correct
I've 'phoned every number that's listed and not one are taking on nhs patients - when you specifically state that they are !?

I'm white; female; British; an oap ( 67 ) have never been without a dentist in my life. Now that my previous dentist went private - which I can't afford - I can't get any help from the NHS ?.
Maybe you could explain how I and millions of others are supposed to receive the dental treatment they require or are we reduced to having no teeth ?.
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User823858 said on 29 November 2013

I have recently been enlightened as to the state of the NHS (No Hope Solutions) through a turmulous last 6 months of watching my father in law fight his own health problems exacerbated by NHS incompetence. Some examples (but not all because I would have to write an essay) include;
> 2 failed discharges including;
a. one resulting in being readmitted into A&E within 4 hours of discharge
b. the other being discharged with a broken neck and advised some 3-4 weeks post
> Being given medication which as family we had explicitly stated he was not to be given without family consultation and approval
> Loss of medication notes some 3 plus times during which staff could not confirm he had been given life saving medication

And the list goes on.....

It is a sad state in this world we live that British citizens who have worked hard all their life, paid their taxes and contributed to what Britain is today that they are treated like this, particularly when you're in the last few years of life. There is daily evidence in the NHS of patients being treated without the respect and dignity that they deserve, I cry when I think about what I have seen.

If you didn't have any family you would die in the NHS.

If we were debating the treatment of animals there would be a complete uproar, it would be in the news everywhere, politicians would take it seriously and something would be done. And yet humans are ignored.

Why doesn't Britain and the politicians in their glass offices stand up and fight for an NHS that this country needs? Perhaps it's too hard, perhaps they just like hiding their heads in the sand.
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hunnybunny21 said on 22 November 2013

was 7-8 week pregnant, on monday i started spotting, so rang my gp to see a doctor on tuesday just to put my mind at rest, he said it more due to the fact it was a water infection, which i had no problem with, tuesday night it started getting a bit more bloody, i then rang my doctors which the receptionist spoke to the gp i saw and he advised if i was concerned to ring the local midwife at the hospital... soo i did, i got passed pillow to post and ended up speaking to triage in the maternity suite, i explained what was happening and she said i cant self refer without my gp doing it, i then said what do you think (as a midwifes point of view) she replied back with 'ive not got a crystal ball' i felt gutted that a member of the nhs could speak to someone whos having a first time pregnancy like this, i then woke up thursday with more blood and clots, i panicked and rang the gp he got me in straight away, by then i was bleeding lots... he booked me a emergency scan for friday morning. it got worse thought out the day i went to a&e they was brilliant they sent me to M6 they didnt even know why i was there!! and friday i went for scan and still no answers just had bloods done! i feel ive been abandoned by the nhs and that they should treat patients with better care! because i wasnt filling a sanitary towel in 20 minutes they didnt want to know and i now know i have had a miscarrage and the nhs couldnt do much but answers and information would of been usuful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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castadrift said on 20 November 2013

Part 2:
Yesterday I saw my GP to try to get clarification on the exact nature of my condition, since what the gynaecologist had said contradicted both the scan report and what he had previously said. He avoided answering the question by telling me the result of the biopsy showed that I did not have cancer and I should be celebrating. Instead, I feel completely let down and abandoned by the NHS because I have been told, in effect, to go away and suffer my fibroids and endometrial hyperplasia with no treatment.

Endometrium thickening greater than 5mm greatly raises the risk of cancer. My mother was treated for breast cancer, but died of undetected ovarian cancer which spread to her stomach. My elder sister was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, detected by a screening programme (she lives in Wales, not Yorkshire) and had a hysterectomy. Just because the biopsy has proved negative today does not mean that another taken next week, or the week after, might not prove positive. And what do I have to do (even if I was prepared to suffer again what I have just undergone) to get another biopsy? I am not prepared to suffer pain and discomfort, with a sword of Damocles hanging over me for the rest of my life and will be paying for a hysterectomy at a private hospital.

However, I want to publicise the shameful performance of the NHS in diagnosing an affliction, then back-tracking on its seriousness and turning me away, refusing to treat it. My GP’s words, “That’s life” are, at worst cynical, at best unacceptable, and in either case reprehensible.
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castadrift said on 20 November 2013

Part 1:
I am 59 and post-menopausal. In September I went to my GP in Holmfirth with spotting and abdominal pain and he referred me for an ultrasound scan which showed multiple fibroids, the largest measuring 20mm, and thickening of the endometrium to 8mm. He fast-tracked me to see a gynaecologist at Huddersfield Royal Infirmary for a hysteroscopy. The gynaecologist’s attitude was brusque and unsympathetic and her examination was brutal. She detected a polyp and took no biopsy, instead referring me for day-surgery to remove the polyp. She told me that the fibroids were small. She said, “We don’t treat fibroids” and dismissed out of hand the possibility of cancer before any tissue samples had even been taken, let alone analysed. She also said that the endometrium was not particularly thick. However, in the subsequent letter to my GGP she reiterated the scan result of 8mm.

When I next saw my GP, I asked him for more information about the position and possible effects of the fibroids. He told me to ask the gynaecologist when I went for day surgery. He also told me that the normal treatment for fibroids was to have a hysterectomy and described what the operation entailed.

The day-surgery took place ten days later at the Royal Calderdale Hospital in Halifax. When I saw the gynaecologist before the procedure, she would not answer any of my questions and simply shouted at me again, “We don’t treat fibroids,” and “You don’t have cancer.” After both hospital visits, I developed an infection, for which my GP simply prescribed thrush cream.
(continued….)
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tingods said on 14 November 2013

8 years ago I was in a car accident. the gp delayed treatment. i have suffered agonising pain and tried all the pain killers they prescribe. i have been refused investigations and fobbed off. changed gp who agreed the investigations only to discover in the past 2 months various spinal problems and liver and kidney damage from the prescribed pain killers that never worked.
why do doctors not listen to patients? why do doctors fob them off? why in the face of the solid evidence do they become hostile when a sick note is requested? why when i put forward a complaint is the nhs going to side with the gp just because i had no witness with me? gp's are not as honest as they are supposed to be and what is wrote or not wrote in notes is not always true! as a nurse i have worked 5 years with little sleep insurmountable pain (even with pain killers) and exhaustion now removed from rota as i can barely mobilise yet the gp will not provide a sick note without hurling hostile verbal assault and interrogation! since when did gp's decide that i was a liar! she has the xray and scan results she even told me what is wrong - but apparently my agony is false; i am lying about it! 3 things i wanted; investigations, diagnosis and referral to a specialist who would sort out the cause of my pain... however i am refused this final wish! good night
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zannie1 said on 13 November 2013

I just have a question about dental charges. Does all of the treatment covered by one payment of £49.00 have a time limit? My daughter who works full time has difficultie in getting time off for the dentist or doctors so has to book a holiday to fit treatment in. She had a check up and was told she needed some fillings. An appointment was made on her days holiday which she attended. She was told that this treatment was covered with her payment of £49.00. After leaving she received a call to say she needed to pay a further £49.00 as she had not had her treatment within 2 month is this correct?
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Mike woking said on 29 October 2013

I would like to know the NHS position on the following,
My son who holds a uk passport but has lived outside the UK
For more than 6 years requires a kidney transplant.
His mother who is a uk resident and has always lived here
Will donate a kidney,will all the medical costs associated with donor be covered under the NHS The transplant will take place in England
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christinezz11 said on 29 October 2013

My brother was admitted on the 31th May 2013 they found out what he died of til the post mortem and it was malignant meningitis which I had not heard of sadly he died on the 7th July 2013 he went blind deaf legs and arms would not stop moving and he lost how to eat and did not know how to do things and he did not know who we were and lost over 20 pounds in weight they went from meningitis to methanol poisoning to cjd and nothing helped him it was the most terrible thing to watch someone disappear from your life he was only 50 years old we was not happy with how things were such as moving drinks out of the way and the buzzer moved out of the way every time we went to see our brother and we will be putting in a complaint as soon as we can , they also said they suspected malignant meningitis several times but they did not the only time we had heard of malignant meningitis was 40 minutes before our brother died
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abbeyroberts1991 said on 28 October 2013

im 22 im on ESA
my teeth are really bad got missing teeth ive got a filling thats just come out i tried buying a temp filling but it made it hurt more. ive had it for about 2 week now i dont know what dentist to go too what covers it? i dont want to have to pay 60 pound for a filling when i can get it for free... ?



Can the NHS help me pay for Dentist fees?
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alisma said on 27 October 2013

I want to complain about a paediatric gastro consultant. My son has been admitted for failure to thrive and he has been treated for the past 5 months and is only 8 months old. consultant has been rude, not communicated assessment results, stated I should behave as a family member not a clinician (I'm a health professional working in the NHS) and has now placed a child protection referral against me!!!! It Anyone any advice at all my son has an NG tube and still not gaining weight, it appears that the more the consultant has been questioned about my son's care, the more the consultant became obstructive and rude Now this!!! As if life isn't stressful enough having a sick child who is only 11lb at 8 months old and we don't know why??!!! If I complain would it go against me? Would it look vexatious?? please help!!
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BrynPW said on 25 October 2013

Could I please get a list of every cardiologist who has cancelled an appointment with me in the last 6 months, so I know who's disgraceful negligence should be cited should whatever undisguised heart condition I have kills me.
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Mollie1801 said on 24 October 2013

I have diabestes
Last year my hbo1c was 87
It took ages to get treatment because staff could not be bothered.
I still felt ill and went back only to be told it is working
I now have hbo1c of 101. I feel ill now for 18 months all I was told by staff at my clinic is that they will have a word.why am I not being seen
Why cant someone just get me some proper treatment
I wasnt even given a proper examination
Just wanted me out of the way cos they were running late
All I want is some proper treatment
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Lovelylo said on 19 October 2013

Sefton intergrated care out of hours service is a joke!!first called them at 6pm to make an appointment had to wait 2 hours at southport and still wasn't seen.left and went home as was in pain so took painkillers and phoned back again about 8pm,the call handler put me through to a very rude and abrupt member of staff who spoke to me like I was 12 and told me I was wasting there time as they are emergency service only (thought that was a&e)had to make another app and waited another 3 hours for a doctor to call in which by this time I had give up was cold tired in pain and at home again.2 days later I was took to a&e and given ct scan and lumbar puncture had headaches and throat infections.all I needed was anti biotics which gp on call Sefton could of given me had there service been better.
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gatasuki said on 18 October 2013

The service at Maidstone Hospital is like the Curate's egg. Good in parts and abysmal in others. Why does it take 14 days for a result of a scan to reach a GOP especially in these days of electronic communication? Someone is responsible presumably for the efficiency of the system which, at times is fractionated and communication between departments is sadly lacking. There is a "tick box" attitude infiltrating the system. You state that the patient comes first. In many cases this is forgotten!
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NONE OF THE ABOVE IS "CHERRY PICKED"....it was taken right off the top, which is why I gave the link.
Yeah, if ya wanna wait years and have yer relatives benefit, instead of yourself, you can sue.
It took me about two minutes to find this....here's a place to start, if'n ya care to see more:
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+ ... 3&ie=UTF-8

I dare you to take a look.
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Well that was td:dr
Here theres a visiting doctors service works 24 hours a day had a workmate call the line he came over 45 minutes later wrote the prescription on the spot in and out with no fuss, best of all its bulk billed so no cost to the user global health care sure does suck
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hilarious: Pud pastes a wall full of cherry picked horror stories, some likely not even true, from a nation of millions. Fats eviscerates him in three sentences.
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