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[Pudfark]

you essentially 'proposed' exactly what I'd already mentioned.

Nope...
I compared it to ObamaCare....and challenged you to the "difference" of it vs VA care.

yes, because VA is an intact healthcare system, with it's own facilities and staffing. ObamaCare doesn't exist, and the ACA(which is the term you are groping for) is merely a regulatory INSURANCE program. There is utterly NOTHING in common. NOTHING.

Still doing it...
You're still dodging...it.

dodging? I stated the obvious, you acted confused. It seemed pretty much like a normal exchange with you.....

Well yeah...so it should be a hell of a lot easier to run. So, why don't it run...any better. And...how does that compare to ObamaCare. Note this: The VA as you stated has no middle men and the government has complete control of it....and folks within/using that system? Are getting systematically/governmentally.....screwed out of their rightful care. So, comparing that wonderful scenario to ObamaCare? How's O-care gonna work....any better?

Old Pudfark sez: " No, I don't believe in the "Easter Bunny". Do you? "

Further thought: Considering yer thoughts elsewhere.....and comparing them to VA and ObamaCare?
One could "ascertain"....that ObamaCare is the "Keystone" of the ACA.

[callmeslick]

Well yeah...so it should be a hell of a lot easier to run.

not really. So many more moving parts under the VA control. Now, the question becomes: How does something that vast and complex function when:
1. there is an influx of older vets with normal problems(baby boomer, Korea/Nam vets, and a bit later)
2. there is an influx of younger, war related issues.
3. the system has been chronically underfunded by Congress for over 20 years, at least, if not from the get-go.

the answer would seem to be: it runs like shit. Lots of folks to blame over the years, but blame gets Vets very little. I had hopes that Shinseki(spell?) would do a far better job than he seems to at aggressively righting the ship. He hasn't. Still, I think the core issue is FAR too little resources applied to the VA, along with an unwillingness to give the best level of care to those who need it. It isn't, however, so simple as 'look, government can't run things'. Remember, simple solutions are pretty much always the WRONG choice.

[Pudfark]

Well yeah...so it should be a hell of a lot easier to run.

not really. So many more moving parts under the VA control. Now, the question becomes: How does something that vast and complex function when:
1. there is an influx of older vets with normal problems(baby boomer, Korea/Nam vets, and a bit later)
2. there is an influx of younger, war related issues.
3. the system has been chronically underfunded by Congress for over 20 years, at least, if not from the get-go.

the answer would seem to be: it runs like shit. Lots of folks to blame over the years, but blame gets Vets very little. I had hopes that Shinseki(spell?) would do a far better job than he seems to at aggressively righting the ship. He hasn't. Still, I think the core issue is FAR too little resources applied to the VA, along with an unwillingness to give the best level of care to those who need it. It isn't, however, so simple as 'look, government can't run things'. Remember, simple solutions are pretty much always the WRONG choice.

Well....so....then yer sayin'/admitting that the government can't run the VA...with total control on everything..to include finances and that, they the government can run ObamaCare on less...than that. Glad ya don't qualify fer the VA...and glad ya got deep pockets...so pull yer hands out yer pockets...along with a wad of cash....and go see a "shrinker"...ya got's mental health issues.

Or...maybe better'n that.....re-read what ya wrote above and revise it. Cuz, it makes....no sense/non-sense.

[callmeslick]

Well....so....then yer sayin'/admitting that the government can't run the VA...with total control on everything..to include finances

except that isn't what I'm saying....I'm saying that administration can't spend money that isn't allocated by Congress. I'm quite sure they can run complex projects with the right funding. Hell, they managed to get to the moon, build highway systems etc. Not to mention, they run a tight ship on Medicare, compared to every private insurer out there.

[Pudfark]

Well....so....then yer sayin'/admitting that the government can't run the VA...with total control on everything..to include finances

except that isn't what I'm saying....I'm saying that administration can't spend money that isn't allocated by Congress. I'm quite sure they can run complex projects with the right funding. Hell, they managed to get to the moon, build highway systems etc. Not to mention, they run a tight ship on Medicare, compared to every private insurer out there.

Ya might wanna rephrase that....

They sure as hell couldn't when it came to their own program....ObamaCare.

The folks who got to the moon and built the highway system...sure as hell ain't your current folk.

Lastly...Medicare ain't fer profit and ain't run very tight (fraud). Private insurers are a hell of a lot more accountable and less fraudulent than those "running" Medicare. Sorta the difference between them what spends others money and them what spends money...to make money.

So...I'm really curious/amused as to how you think/feel/believe ObamaCare is gonna run...any better'n VA care?
Realizing....that they both have a budget and limited funds....and when they both are underfunded as both are?
Then regular folk....will have something in common with them other serving honorable folk...won't they?
Four or five years ago....I read an interesting article on the injured soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan...the then estimate of treating their injures for life.....was 750 billion dollars and it was stated to be on the conservative side.

So...seemingly...we're just gonna screw over everybody with an unfunded/underfunded healthcare plan...cuz, you folks won't walk across the aisle. So...take a hard look at the problems...and consider it as your turn....for a moon shot.

[callmeslick]

VA relies on government funding to be adequate. Beyond paying for premiums, the ACA doesn't have such a requirement. Most of the lifting is done by the insurance companies.

[Pudfark]

VA relies on government funding to be adequate. Beyond paying for premiums, the ACA doesn't have such a requirement. Most of the lifting is done by the insurance companies.

Wait for ObamaCare via the insurance companies....to lift yer wallet and yer skirts.
Much like R_D in a sheep pen....it's coming.

[callmeslick]

article in yesterday's paper noted the following about the ACA to date:
1. Providers are keeping up with the large influx of newly insured patients(and there is an influx, as one would hope).
2. Systems are not strained at all so far
3. Costs have not risen for care


all good so far. Wait until 95% of people support the ACA and demand that it be kept intact. As you're fond of saying: "it's coming....."