an old subject for question.....

[Pudfark]

Obama isn't napping, he's surrendering
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And just so ya know what we're really talking about....

Here's the SOFA proposed on November, 28 2008 ( I suggest ya read it, I did )
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/p ... D_TEXT.pdf

Then add this to it....

Security Agreement (Status of Forces Agreement), U.S. and Iraq
Published November 27, 2008


This agreement, signed on November 27, 2008, along with the Strategic Framework Agreement, addresses the U.S. "presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq."

Now, lets remember this was what Bush accomplished.
Let's also remember Obama's refusal to negotiate or renegotiate with the Iraqi's and the current result's are being blamed on his arrogance and dictatorial conduct. All of the "current events" seemingly were caused/initiated by the Obama Administration and their lying/loop-holing ways.

Old Pudfark sez: " Yup, Dictating, Lying, Excusing and Blaming...that's the way to run a country and a world... "

Pudfark sez: " Whoa...wait a minute...other'n than a war in the U.S. ? We're no different than the Iraqi's.......under Obama. "

[callmeslick]

I pray we go nowhere near Iraq, not with airstrikes, and God forbid US troops. We should never have been there, and never should return. Let them, as Obama noted today, sort out some kind of political process that can work, and then we might help it succeed. What they've put in place so far isn't right. Oddly, it's starting to look like old Joe's solution of about 8 years back was correct. Divide the region into 3 autonomous zones or even separate nations. One Sunni, one Shiite, and a Kurdish homeland. People scoffed when he said it. Looks like the last laugh is on Joe.

[Pudfark]

This is probably gonna surprise you.....

I absolutely agree with some of what you said....

Joe's solution back then sucks as bad as it does now and is just as "practical"/"doable" as it wasn't back then.
Why?
Well go back to 1948....when land was taken from the Palestinians...by others in the world and given to Israel.
How's that worked out? Despite Obama's track record of taking other folks stuff and giving it to whom he chooses?
This ain't gonna work any better there...than the future predicts, it will here.

The first half of what you wrote...I generally agree with. However, it ain't no solution to the problem(s).

Try this concept on for fit... Why don't we, become totally independent of Middle Eastern Oil and totally withdraw from the region.

Start producing, to include "fracking" our oil from within our country. Build Keystone to mollify the Canadians and prevent the sale of their oil to the Chinese. We have the financial resources and the oil to do this. That leaves China with their own "energy crisis" and puts them in the same postion (bent over) as we assumed for the last 60 years. Then leave the entire middle east to China...to deal with and protect their energy source. Winner winner chicken dinner, not only for Obama, but for our country as a whole.

[callmeslick]

Try this concept on for fit... Why don't we, become totally independent of Middle Eastern Oil and totally withdraw from the region.

I actually agree, and if you follow such things, we are VERY close to complete independance from them......roughly 5 years from some estimates, and could thus sacrifice(a word seldom used) and get by without it right now. One need not go crazy and try to pump every last drop, the return wouldn't be worth the environmental damage(not sensible to protect life in a sewer).

[Pudfark]

This is not intended as a bitch slap.

"Pulling Troops Out of Iraq After The War Was Won Left a Power Vacuum. By 2008, President Bush’s surge in forces had achieved large-scale security in Iraq. In November of 2006, 3,475 Iraqis died in battle and 69 Americans were killed as well; that number was down to 500 and 12, respectively, by November 2008. Violence in Anbar province had dropped 90 percent. As leftist Peter Beinart wrote in 2009 in the Washington Post, “if Iraq overall represents a massive stain on Bush’s record, his decision to increase America’s troop presence in late 2006 now looks like his finest hour.”

In 2008, the Bush administration negotiated a status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government that would remove troops by the end of 2011. Bush signed that agreement in anticipation of Obama’s entry to the White House. Sure enough, Obama then failed to sign a renewed status of forces agreement. According to David Filkens of the New Yorker:

[E]very single senior political leader, no matter what party or what group, including Maliki, said to them privately, we want you to stay. We don’t want you to fight. We don’t want combat troops. We don’t want Americans getting killed, but we want 10,000 American troops inside the Green Zone training our army, giving us intelligence, playing that crucial role as the broker and interlocutor that makes our system work. We want you to stay.

Filkens told NPR that James Jeffrey, an American ambassador, said he “got no guidance from the White House.”
Now there is no stabilization force in Iraq. And with an ISIS force that is merely hundreds large, according to some reports, rushing through Iraq with impunity, it is difficult to argue that even a minor force wouldn’t have made a difference."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014 ... -lost-Iraq

Just sayin': Now we're left to fill the bath tub....with no plug in it. Maybe, that's a good thing, if we act on it in the right way?

[Reservoir_Dog]

If I underline something does that make it true?

[callmeslick]

no

[HappyHappy]

no

But if you Commieshit say it then it is at best loaded with spin.
But more often an outright lie.

HH

[Pudfark]

If I underline something does that make it true?

no

Seems y'all don't know/care about the difference between rebuttal and re-butt-hole.
This amuses me. A lot.

Old Pudfark sez: " When one lacks the intelligence, absent facts.....when in doubt, belittle the person who presents them....while everybody knows...you're an idiot....at least yer funny. "

[callmeslick]

you've sort of worked on those principles for years, Pud, hence we don't take you seriously. Also, you STILL haven't grasped that re-posting propaganda and then failing to insert your own thoughts isn't much of a contribution.