OshitCare

[callmeslick]

how do you address the folks without the means to pay, and what makes you think YOU have the means to pay for yourself, without folks like me paying extra to cover your tab?? Come on, Pud, it hasn't been individuals paying bills with no insurance for decades. Certainly not during my adult life, although I don't recall how coverage worked when I was a kid. You see, for a long time, large employers PAID the coverage, and that took care of around 85 percent of everyone, if you toss government/public safety/military families into the mix. The destitute were covered for free, generally in hospitals where rich patrons created pools for such care, and few self-employed folks had seemingly affordable options for insurance. Then, medicine got more complex, care got more expensive, pharmaceuticals became more prevalent and cost serious money, etc, and the insurers became driven to make higher profit margins due to how we run our investment economy. It was a perfect storm, and that storm drove per person costs of healthcare in the US WAY up
Explain again, how you are going to make all those things go away with your John Wayne cartoon approach to healthcare, Pud.

[callmeslick]

http://www.theonion.com/article/panicki ... hea-56289?

[Pudfark]

how do you address the folks without the means to pay, and what makes you think YOU have the means to pay for yourself, without folks like me paying extra to cover your tab?? Come on, Pud, it hasn't been individuals paying bills with no insurance for decades. Certainly not during my adult life, although I don't recall how coverage worked when I was a kid. You see, for a long time, large employers PAID the coverage, and that took care of around 85 percent of everyone, if you toss government/public safety/military families into the mix. The destitute were covered for free, generally in hospitals where rich patrons created pools for such care, and few self-employed folks had seemingly affordable options for insurance. Then, medicine got more complex, care got more expensive, pharmaceuticals became more prevalent and cost serious money, etc, and the insurers became driven to make higher profit margins due to how we run our investment economy. It was a perfect storm, and that storm drove per person costs of healthcare in the US WAY up
Explain again, how you are going to make all those things go away with your John Wayne cartoon approach to healthcare, Pud.

at yer first sentence. reminds me of the 'three little pigs' story.
After a professional lifetime of public service...I pay for all my Insurance. You pay not one cent for it...you do not make any decisions about it either. Nor, will you be allowed to. When I was born, up till the age of 18 my health care was provided by the U.S. Army. Afterwards, by me and yes by my employers too. Why? My health care/insurance is my responsibility and my decision. Yours is the same. The lame, lazy and mental deficient folks, you can have all you want. They will never 'weigh' in or on my health care or insurance. OshitCare is history and you own it. I don't give a damn about it, other'n what it cost me and what I got from it...NOTHING.

Everybody seems to be in a tizzy about what's gonna replace it? It's simple, replace it with NOTHING. Turn back the clock, to nine years ago. Yup, I said that....I'll save money, you'll save money and the poor folk will be piling up in the streets, like they did back then.

Old Pudfark sez: " Free Market, not free health care. "

[callmeslick]

Turn back the clock to NINE YEARS AGO? Are you fucking nuts?
1. Rates were rising, nationwide at a 40% annual clip for same level coverage. Functionally, rates were going up around 10%, with arbitrary increases in copays, higher deductables, all at FAR WORSE rates than the past 7 years. Why go back to when it was worse?

2. Middle Aged Americans were FREQUENTLY denied ANY coverage, due to 'pre-existant conditions' Why go back to when things were worse?

3. Young people often had no coverage after age 18, precisely when they are most likely to have catastrophic situation(not much in routine or chronic, but lots of car crashes etc). The taxpayers paid for them, along with hospitals who passed the costs to paying customers. Free market, my ass.... why go back to when things were worse?

4. Women, as a group got major gaps in coverage, once again, the pre-existing condition stuff. Why go back to when things were worse?

Seriously, Pud, do you really think employers and insurers are going to pick up the costs for the workforce when we 'roll back the clock?' Who benefits at all in your plan, save the investors in the health care insurers and providers?

[Pudfark]

Turn back the clock to NINE YEARS AGO? Are you fucking nuts?
1. Rates were rising, nationwide at a 40% annual clip for same level coverage. Functionally, rates were going up around 10%, with arbitrary increases in copays, higher deductables, all at FAR WORSE rates than the past 7 years. Why go back to when it was worse?

2. Middle Aged Americans were FREQUENTLY denied ANY coverage, due to 'pre-existant conditions' Why go back to when things were worse?

3. Young people often had no coverage after age 18, precisely when they are most likely to have catastrophic situation(not much in routine or chronic, but lots of car crashes etc). The taxpayers paid for them, along with hospitals who passed the costs to paying customers. Free market, my ass.... why go back to when things were worse?

4. Women, as a group got major gaps in coverage, once again, the pre-existing condition stuff. Why go back to when things were worse?

Seriously, Pud, do you really think employers and insurers are going to pick up the costs for the workforce when we 'roll back the clock?' Who benefits at all in your plan, save the investors in the health care insurers and providers?

Totally Not True part #1 #2. Part #3 totally ass backwards. Part #4 made up in a dream. When ya add bull shit to government complexity ya don't get frosting....more like a thin dab of KY.

[callmeslick]

I'll stand by the statements. All of them. Care to have some FACTS to disprove generally accepted facts?

[Pudfark]

I'll stand by the statements. All of them. Care to have some FACTS to disprove generally accepted facts?

How's about you pony up the facts to prove your statement...sport. Better hurry, R_D's locking all the threads yer getting your opinion and butt kicked.

[callmeslick]

Better hurry, R_D's locking all the threads yer getting your opinion and butt kicked.

huh? You paranoid, Pud? Hell, I had the only non-hallucinatory post in lucid English on the locked thread. I should be the one pissed off.

[Pudfark]

Better hurry, R_D's locking all the threads yer getting your opinion and butt kicked.

huh? You paranoid, Pud? Hell, I had the only non-hallucinatory post in lucid English on the locked thread. I should be the one pissed off.

That would require backbone. Which you've never displayed.