this sort of thing....

[callmeslick]

...is what every citizen of the US(and, truth be told, quite a few other Western nations) ought to be worried about and focused on:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2 ... ces-for-US


we're talking about reconciling, fast, behind some agreed-upon combination of either 20% less government
spending or a 25% tax hike(the extremes, if one chose all cuts or all hikes). Wallowing through another 10 years of dithering, while folks get all riled up over the President's Birth Certificate, World Financial Conspiracy,
Communists in the Cabinet, or the noble leadership of Hugo Chavez, not to mention unresolvable social issue differences, will doom us.

Now, I'd appreciate any input as to solutions to this problem. Just lay off the blame Obama, blame either party bullshit. Solutions. Anyone with a brain knows a compromise has to be struck, but which one?

[callmeslick]

by the way, Glenn Beck fans(and you KNOW who you are )---

a few months back, ole Glenn held this big rally in Florida. At such, he claimed that he was going to shortly produce, and broadcast, his solution to the national debt/annual deficit issue. And, he assured us, no one was going to really like it. Now, liking that claim and giving Beck the benefit of the doubt, I've been waiting for his plan. Did he announce it?

[Wullie]

IF I recall correctly, Reagan took office with shitpile of an economy with doddering along and with double digit inflation, thanks to the second worst president we've had in the last 50 years.

Reagan cut taxes! Our economy built a fire under its' ass and came back strong. It only took Clinton and the Bush boys about 15 years to get it back on its' ass and the latest buffoon seems that he is trying to bury the it.

Proven fact that you can not tax your way into prosperity. I don't foresee the present regime cutting anything anytime soon. He'll just write more hot checks for us and our kids to cover.

[callmeslick]

actually, Reagan set the nation up for most of the subsequent problems. IE--too small a tax base to support the growth of programs in place, with far too little cut. A lot of the 'Reagan prosperity' was sort of a sham,
when you factor in average worker's earnings for inflation. Most of the 'robust growth' one hears about would have happened once Vietnam and the oil crises of the 1970's had been absorbed by the economy.
This cartoon covers the subject at hand in a funny way:
http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2010/ ... eneration/

oh, and Wullie, you covered the Obama administration criticism, but still, no suggestion of how you would handle the deficit. Cut taxes? Now the deficit becomes larger, in a still-recovering economy. You plan on using inflation to cover the difference? What would you cut from the budget? Nonetheless, kudos for giving the question a bit of thought......

[callmeslick]

IF I recall correctly, Reagan took office with shitpile of an economy with doddering along and with double digit inflation, thanks to the second worst president we've had in the last 50 years.

something to ponder: how, exactly, does the national economy(which evolves slowly and steadily in a cyclical fashion) in any way reflect, or even get much affected by, who is President at the time? IMHO, a President can have effects a decade or so after he leaves office, but in real time, he's reacting to what has already long been created. In a very real way, Reagan caused a lot of problems with the whole concept of removal of government regulation of commerce, and benefitted by the timing of his election. The cycle was going to go upwards for 5 years or more had we elected Bonzo the Chimp as President, the way I see the economy working.

[Pudfark]

Shit can the liberal spenders and vote in "conservatives"....this November. That's for a start....

Then shit can the New Federal Health Care....
Get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan....
No new Immigration Laws, just enforce the hell out of the old ones...
Term Limitation on the House and Senate...Two terms.
FLAT TAX
Produce our own oil...Tax incentives to build more refineries.
Nuclear power...screw solar and wind.
More Import Taxes on China Products...

There ya go...easy, ain't it..... Does it really matter Slick? with all your folks polluting our government? Is it now time to "turn the page", "cut the cord" and "flush the toilet"? Say "Yes"......sigh..........

[Wullie]

SO, your thinking that since Reagan cut so much bullshit out of the gov't that he created the dotcom bubble and the housing industry/bank failures that created the Bush/Obama bank buy outs? I guess in your eyes it is Ronnie Reagan's fault we're fucked too. I don't see it that way.

Or are you suggesting that Reagan actually rode the coat tails of Jimmy Carter's good performance and got all the glory.

Now that the present administration is coming to grips with the fact that the STIMULUS program stimulated nothing other than the debt that it is now time to make the poor people that have a job lose more of their income to fund the fuck up and future fuck ups on tap with higher taxes?

I have a dumb ass stepson that is the perfect future democrat. He is 22 years old, has no HS diploma nor any desire to get one. So he's safe from the military in his eyes. He also has no job nor any intention of getting one. He spent a year with me, stole us blind, had several warrants out for traffic tickets that "weren't his fault" and he left TX and went back to MO before I killed him and was living on his un-employment benefits from getting FIRED at a part time job at Blockbuster. He called his mom last week asking for money because the tit dried up. She didn't give him any. He'll be sure and praise the gov't that GIVES him more money to fuck off. Where he's at in MO there are really no jobs to be had unless you drive a truck. He has no desire to do that. I hunted hard up there seven years ago for work before the economy fell on its' ass and couldn't find anything that would support a family other than trucking. I brought my wife to Texas and we're both working to make ends meet. She was willing to uproot and move to TX rather than see me back in a damn truck.

I don't relish the thought of giving up more of my money so it can be fucked off on frivolous liberal feel good policies.

As for cutting government? CUT THAT SON OF A BITCH! I work for the largest employer in the state of Texas. I work for the Texas Highway Dept. It is like ANY government run program. It is bloated, out of touch, and the idiots running it have never held a job in the private sector. The Federal Government is just a bigger example of where I work. My bosses brag about how much more they spend than other sections. My boss has worked for TxDOT for 42 years. He's 61 years old. "SPEND IT, THEY'LL GIVE US MORE BY GOD!!" is his motto. Saving money is a foreign concept. TxDOT did save some money this year with a hiring freeze. Then they spent the money they saved ($2.5M) by having an outside company evaluate the organisation and tell them the same thing we've been saying for years. Those of us in the trenches are stretched pretty thin. I ain't bitching, I've got a steady paycheck and doing the work of two and sometimes three people makes the day go by faster.

[callmeslick]

SO, your thinking that since Reagan cut so much bullshit out of the gov't that he created the dotcom bubble and the housing industry/bank failures that created the Bush/Obama bank buy outs? I guess in your eyes it is Ronnie Reagan's fault we're fucked too. I don't see it that way.

what, exactly, did Reagan cut?

Or are you suggesting that Reagan actually rode the coat tails of Jimmy Carter's good performance and got all the glory.

no, I'm saying that the president doesn't do a whole lot to determine the economy during his term.

....finally, your personal examples are interesting, but you're being gulled if you think you're the one that would be the primary target of a tax hike, or that your stepkid is the typical recipient of government benefits.

[callmeslick]

Shit can the liberal spenders and vote in "conservatives"....this November. That's for a start....

lots of luck finding one(an actual conservative)

Then shit can the New Federal Health Care....

if you plan on replacing it with something more effective at cost control, ok

Get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan....

I think we could agree on this one.

No new Immigration Laws, just enforce the hell out of the old ones...

paid for how?

Term Limitation on the House and Senate...Two terms.
FLAT TAX

two in a row that I completely agree with!!

Produce our own oil...Tax incentives to build more refineries.

refineries are ok, but as I pointed out elsewhere, there is no more readily available oil. What you could get is going to be expensive and risky. Who pays the price?

Nuclear power...screw solar and wind.

actually, we will probably need all 3, plus hydroelectric

More Import Taxes on China Products...

thus, pissing off the country that is keeping our debt from completely burying us. Sorry, but that isn't going
to happen. Sadly, we've gotten into a position where we NEED China

There ya go...easy, ain't it..... Does it really matter Slick? with all your folks polluting our government? Is it now time to "turn the page", "cut the cord" and "flush the toilet"? Say "Yes"......sigh..........

those 'polluting' your government, remember, were voted in by your fellow citizens. Get used to dealing with those citizens and compromising with them or the whole thing sinks.

[Wullie]

what, exactly, did Reagan cut?

(I couldn't remember all the details so I looked them up for your displeasure)

I refer you to this;
http://www.aei.org/paper/20675

President Reagan is the only president to have cut the budget of the Department of Housing and Urban Development in one of his terms (a total of 40.1 percent during his second term).
President Reagan is the only president to have cut the budget of the Department of Transportation. He cut it by 10.5 percent during his first term and by 7.5 percent during his second term.
During his first term in office, President Reagan cut the real budget of the Department of Education by 18.6 percent, while President Nixon increased it (that is the education part of what was then the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare) by 19.1 percent. That budget increased by 22.2 percent under Bush 41 and by 38.5 percent under Carter. Our current president has increased it by a whooping 67.6 percent.
Reagan managed to cut the budget of the Department of Commerce by 29 percent in constant dollars during his first term and by 3 percent during his second one. President Clinton by contrast increased the department’s budget by 24 percent in his first term and then by 96.7 percent in his second term.
President Reagan cut the real budget of the Department of Agriculture by 24 percent during his second term in office.
President Reagan never cut the budgets of the departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, or State.

HE also cut taxes.....
http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwt ... agtxct.htm

Check out what the Governor of New Jersey is doing to pull his state out of the red and back toward the black. He's doing the exact OPPOSITE of what free thinkers and left threaded folks such as yourself think should be done.

What have YOUR boy and his lackies done?

You also made the remark in another thread to wit:

wrong. Under any plan I've ever supported or proposed, I dare say you wouldn't pay but a small fraction of my burden, measure either by total or percentage of your total.

IF you are SO well off financially, why should ANYBODY have to pay even a small portion of YOUR burden? Was that a mistake or does your lib-think make you believe that?

SPREAD OUR WEALTH while you keep yours? Liberalism at its' finest!!