Patriotism Exploited?

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callmeslick wrote: I am not saying this in any way to inpugn all troops. To the contrary, something happened of a very irregular nature there. I am saying that the initial response from our nation's leadership was to falsely paint Pat Tillman's death as a heroic death in a firefight with the enemy. Hence, 'Patriotism Exploited'.
I know several Rangers. There was a fight there. We know that much. From what I understand from the snake eaters who were there it was confusing and not everyone knew where friendlies were. Coverup? Doubtful. In the midst of a fight it's hard to tell who's who, especially if someone ended up out of position. Pat may have been where he shouldn't have. Others may have been where they shouldn't have. But from where I sit it seems more likely to me that the military didn't wanna place blame on Pat nor those that shot him, for obvious reasons. I agree that the details should be given to the family but that's not always how things are. There are many military families who aren't allowed to know the details of classified operations, hence they don't know exactly how their loved one died.

It sucks but that's how real life is.
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ruggbutt wrote: There was a fight there. We know that much.
actually, we now know just the opposite. Not only wasn't a fight ongoing, according to the military investigation that has been released, several witnesses stated that no enemy was within two miles.
It sucks but that's how real life is.
to an extent, I'd agree with this statement, but what we have here is a clear coverup all the way up to the General Officer level. Possibly above.
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Well firstly Slick...you assume a murder took place in a "military unit"....second, you quote part of a "military investigation"....Third, you automatically assume "cover up"....Fourth, you insult and assault the integrity of those present at the scene, by questioning it. Have you forgotten those that give you the right to make your chicken shit whining remarks...? To imply/accuse our troops of this type of behavior, should be, by your upbringing and education, that you claim to have....beneath you.

Old Pudfark sez: " Those without integrity...are always the first to question it.... "
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I was given an SF's opinion on the matter, as was given to him by someone that was there. I cannot nor will not say what I was told as I told him I wouldn't. The truth will eventually come out and when it does I will crucify Slick with his own words. Words such as execution and cover up. Slick has a ton of balls mouthing off about what he perceives as the truth. The "truth" he has comes from left wing rags and I will verbally bitch slap him as well. I'm bookmarking this thread for use at a later date.

For the record Slick, you're moron. Tillman wasn't killed on purpose. There was gunfire involved from the enemy and the terrain was "open" but there was cover. It was a friendly fire incident plain and simple. And it's ok that you hate your country and your country's military. Many have died so you can show everyone what a retard of epic proportions looks like.
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There was a clear coverup, that much has been brought out. Several lower level officers no longer are in the Army due to it. I'll stand by my words. Like a man, unlike your, "I heard it and the guy that told me talked to someone that was there" idiocy.
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execution necessarily demands motive, of which there is none to be found so far...you might be picking the crow from your teeth with its beak, Slick...

but with evidence of no enemy, the examining doctors statements and other facts, the plot definitely thickens, something is rotten in the state of Denmark....


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Daiichidoku wrote:execution necessarily demands motive, of which there is none to be found so far...you might be picking the crow from your teeth with its beak, Slick...
I'm willing to take that risk. Something has always smelled about this incident, and the conduct of the chain of command added to the stench.
but with evidence of no enemy, the examining doctors statements and other facts, the plot definitely thickens, something is rotten in the state of Denmark....
sort of a condensed version of my exact point.
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People get fragged in combat more often than most realise.
When you got an arrogant "butter bar" bent on mass suicide
it's better he catch a bullet than everyone dies.

So it got covered up? No shit!

In this case it appears like accidental friendly fire.
There may have been a coverup, and maybe he got fragged.
It'd like asking Obama where he was born.
We will never know the truth.

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callmeslick wrote:There was a clear coverup,
The coverup was because Tillman was this generation's John Wayne. And then some. The coverup doesn't exist cuz he was fragged by his own guys. And you don't have to believe anything I've heard. But I promise you that what I've heard comes from a more honest source than you're "intel" does. My buddy believes one of the reasons for the coverup was because they didn't want the guy who (accidently) shot Tillman crucified. It's bad enuf he has to live with what was done.
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Then, why did Tillman write a letter home expressing a fear of his imminent death being 'exploited' by the military and US government? Like I say, much of this whole thing reeks, and I hope my view of the possible actions are wrong. As I said in reply to Daii, I'll be ok to eat crow on the suggestion. I'd just like to find out what exactly happened, as would many others(first among them, Tillman's family). No one need be fingered, just the truth about how the day went down.
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