The King James Bible

[Buzz]

Ruggs,

I can't agree with your post. You're saying if I pray to the father, that God will be angry? That's foolish. We speak English. We use the English langauge. God understands this. Why should I use Hebrew? I'm not Jewish.

Another thing you say, and i've heard others think it too. Modern translations of the Bible are not translations of the KJB. Original documents are still available. The men who wrote the Living Bible studied for countless years to come up with that version. There were probably 50 of them from all walks of life. Brilliant men who wanted to get it as accurate as possible. If they just copied the KJB it would have been easy and taken no time at all.

I have one more point that is my opinion only. God has always worked through man. He's well aware of the Bible as being his instruction manual if you will. How else could the truth be spread to all who will read it. With that thought and excepting the fact that the Bible is the truth. Do you think God would have lies in the Bible, or have it mislead anybody? If God and Jesus are in the Bible. Then I accept it as ok with God.

If you don't believe that. Then you're not a believer.

My .02

[CUDA]

Ruggs,

I can't agree with your post. You're saying if I pray to the father, that God will be angry? That's foolish. We speak English. We use the English langauge. God understands this. Why should I use Hebrew? I'm not Jewish.

Another thing you say, and i've heard others think it too. Modern translations of the Bible are not translations of the KJB. Original documents are still available. The men who wrote the Living Bible studied for countless years to come up with that version. There were probably 50 of them from all walks of life. Brilliant men who wanted to get it as accurate as possible. If they just copied the KJB it would have been easy and taken no time at all.

I have one more point that is my opinion only. God has always worked through man. He's well aware of the Bible as being his instruction manual if you will. How else could the truth be spread to all who will read it. With that thought and excepting the fact that the Bible is the truth. Do you think God would have lies in the Bible, or have it mislead anybody? If God and Jesus are in the Bible. Then I accept it as ok with God.

If you don't believe that. Then you're not a believer.

My .02

Agreed, they've taken current Bible translations and compared them against the dead sea scrolls and they match almost verbatum

[ruggbutt]

Ruggs,

I can't agree with your post. You're saying if I pray to the father, that God will be angry? ..............God understands this. Why should I use Hebrew? I'm not Jewish.

The father (Yahweh) isn't jewish as far as I know. His son was. However, their names are what their names are. My given name is Randy. I don't answer to anything else (although I will answer to Rugg). And there is no name for Randy in some of the other languages, spanish for example. Which explains why my spanish class name was Felipe......................The point I'm trying to make is that Satan deceives man at every turn. A little nudge the wrong way with translation here, a little there. It may not be a big deal to you to pray to God or Jesus, but since you know that their names are really Yahweh and Yashua why would you ignore that? The church has done so forever and they've done that for political reasons. And some are for the same reasons that we celebrate the birth of the messiah in a season he wasn't born in. The way to convert the heathens from their sinful ways was to tell them a story and have the new "christian" story take place in the same season their pagan rituals were in. It was easier to change rituals than to completely remove the celebration on those dates.

Modern translations of the Bible are not translations of the KJB. Original documents are still available. The men who wrote the Living Bible studied for countless years to come up with that version. There were probably 50 of them from all walks of life. Brilliant men who wanted to get it as accurate as possible. If they just copied the KJB it would have been easy and taken no time at all.

I'm not as up to things as I was back in the day but to get a truly clear and uncorrupted translation you want one from the Geneva bible. I'll do some research and see where they translated the Living Bible from. Not familiar with it.

I have one more point that is my opinion only. God has always worked through man. He's well aware of the Bible as being his instruction manual if you will. How else could the truth be spread to all who will read it. With that thought and excepting the fact that the Bible is the truth. Do you think God would have lies in the Bible, or have it mislead anybody? If God and Jesus are in the Bible. Then I accept it as ok with God.

The bible says Satan is the "Lord" of the earth. While we are Yahweh's children he allows Halil (Satan) to trick us and use us as we allow it. We're given free choice, remember? I'm not trying to attack your beliefs or what you've been taught, but throughout my life I've found that doing a little research can often open some doors to realizations that we may have been blind to. I grew up with the KJV bible and it's "new edition" english translation. So have most of you that are age 35+. From my reading and research (some wasn't scriptural, it was historical) it's proven the King James re-wrote the bible for his political ideals. Hardly anyone disputes that. Then they come back with stuff like the last two sentences in the above quote from you. Sorry, I can't buy into it. Who chose which books got into the bible? Catholics. The same bunch who chant and pray to statues and graven images...................

If you don't believe that. Then you're not a believer.

Would a christian pass judgment? It's not your call to do that.

One last thing, how about the old laws. Food laws for example. No milk and meat, no swine, etc. The bible says what about that? That it was done away with when Yashua died on the cross. How many of you guys go to church. And tithe? Why are the old laws gone except for tithe? Or those pesky 10 commandments? Those are old law. Just that right there tells me that man (or the church to be exact) is operating in it's best interests at the expense of it's constituents. Or maybe at the expense of their souls..................

[Buzz]

I made a mistake on the name. It's the Open Bible. Copyright 1998. I'm not sure what I was thinking. It's about 5 feet from me.

I think you're getting too hung up on a name. You may not answer to another name than your own, but you're not God. He knows all. He knows what we're going to say before we say it. he knows what we're thinking and what's in our hearts when we say it, and only he knows how long ago he knew this. there's no fooling God, and there's no way he can be fooled by satan.

Cmon Ruggs. You should know this.

I'm not judging anybody when I say if you don't believe the Bible you're not a believer. It's a fact. If you don't believe the words of Jesus. You can't be a believer. If you don't believe the Bible. How can you believe what Jesus is trying to teach us? Man teaches man about Jesus. That's how God does it, and has from the beginning. Man wrote down what they experienced when with Jesus. That was passed down in time through the Bible. If Jesus is real. Then do you think he'd allow untruths to misguide us on what he was teaching us? I think not. You believe it all, or you should believe nothing. Your choice and that's exactly what God wants. You choose. It's your life.

Don't be wrong with your choice.

[ruggbutt]

I think you're getting too hung up on a name.

So then next time you pray to God pray to him but say Satan. Does that feel right to you?

and there's no way he can be fooled by satan.

Satan fools man. You misquoted me.

Cmon Ruggs. You should know this.

I'm not judging anybody when I say if you don't believe the Bible you're not a believer. It's a fact. If you don't believe the words of Jesus. You can't be a believer.[/quote]

Man was involved with writing the bible. It's a fact that King James changed it. For political reasons. I choose not to believe what King James' scholars wrote. Again, cuz Satan fools man.

Next thing you're going to tell me is that God created the earth in six 24 hour days...........................

[CUDA]

Would a christian pass judgment? It's not your call to do that.

we dont need to judge, we just read the signs. you judge yourself.

Galatians 5:19-24 (New International Version)

19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires

[callmeslick]

Do you really think it won't be an argument?

I honestly don't see where it ought to be.

[Buzz]

Ruggs,

You're looking for an argument. For the record. I don't, or ever did read the KJB. I'm also not or ever was Catholic.

Come to your senses, and we can continue.

[callmeslick]

First things first, who do we pray to when we pray to our creator or the messiah?

interesting stuff. Glad the weather cooled. I quoted just the above to clarify one point. To varying degrees, Christianity developed the concept of the deity being a simultaneous presence in three parts(the Trinity):
God, his Son(God manifest as a man) and the Holy Spirit(varying definitions of this between Christian sects).
This is wildly different, and, to some extent sets Christianity apart from true monotheistic religions.

[CUDA]

cuz Satan fools man.

could he be fooling you???