A Complete Waste of Space

Wullie wrote:slick, just how are barry and the current bunch of turds going to reverse all this? All I've seen from the latest regime is their haughty attitude and putting our kids further in debt with stupid spending.

they are trying to get something of a return of sensible regulations and trade policy. It ain't some sort of overnight kind of job, and there's a whole lot of elected officials in Congress from both parties fighting tooth and nail against it.

I agree with all that you are saying after "goofy-ass patriotism". The problem I have is that patriotism is slowly being removed a little piece at a time. I do not believe that patriotism is goofy or trivial. We need patriotism to make it through this mess and need to stamp out the anti-patriotism that is eating at this country like a cancer.

Darkhorse wrote:I agree with all that you are saying after "goofy-ass patriotism". The problem I have is that patriotism is slowly being removed a little piece at a time. I do not believe that patriotism is goofy or trivial. We need patriotism to make it through this mess and need to stamp out the anti-patriotism that is eating at this country like a cancer.

maybe, DH, what I mean to say is 'superficial patriotism'. I agree with your sentiments above, but feel that patriotism is not about flag waving, or quotations, but about love of the country, respect for your fellow citizens and their opinions, and work toward consensus for the common good. I don't really agree with you that anti-patriotism is running rampant, but more(and this reflects the poisonous, divisive tone) some folks want others to hew to their narrow view of what patriotism means.

My views are as broad and as narrow as the Founding Fathers of this great country.....it is your interpretation of them that is wrong on all points.....especially, your proposed application of them.....

callmeslick wrote:

Wullie wrote:slick, just how are barry and the current bunch of turds going to reverse all this? All I've seen from the latest regime is their haughty attitude and putting our kids further in debt with stupid spending.

they are trying to get something of a return of sensible regulations and trade policy. It ain't some sort of overnight kind of job, and there's a whole lot of elected officials in Congress from both parties fighting tooth and nail against it.

Got any examples? Did they get buried under the King of Arabia's skirt before we saw them?

sure, Wullie. They've been in negotiations over NAFTA with our partners in that mess. Needless to say, that's going to be delicate to change at this point. They've seemingly been striking something of a stricter deal with S.Korea, which badly wants a free trade policy with the US.
As for regulations, although the GOP and some Dems watered down the credit card, banking and insurance regs, they were hailed by experts in the respective fields as the most sweeping regs in 50 years(ah, 50 years ago, when we all enjoyed the benefits of regulated capitalism, as opposed to neo-feudalism....).
Other proposals currently languishing in Congress would free up capital for lending to small businesses, but guess which party isn't allowing that one to come to a vote?

Guess why they are not allowing that to come to a vote?

Other proposals currently languishing in Congress would free up capital for lending to small businesses, but guess which party isn't allowing that one to come to a vote?

Instead of tossing more of our tax dollars down the shitter on a small bid'ness bailout, why not just do away with the "new" taxes?

AND, since the Repub's don't have enough votes to stop anything, it would appear that they aren't the ONLY ones that can see the forest for the trees.

I'm trying to look at the bright side of this recovery. We only lost 829,000 jobs this summer.

As he says "We're headed in the right direction."

any reputable economist will tell you we ARE moving out of the recession(ie, in the right direction). The problem is the jobs picture, which is more complex. Most larger, and many small businesses used the past few years(leading up to and through the recession) to develop much more efficient operations. Labor is the most expensive ongoing expense for most businesses, so that translates into layoffs. Now, when the bottom line is much rosier(anyone of you that owns stocks should know that to be true), they don't need to rehire to previous levels and NEVER will. Hence, you will only see a large upward move in employment when there is a surge in either new, marketable products or services or development of a new technology of great importance. The last time we saw such was the tech boom, largely jump started by massive government spending on the space program. Before that, a manufacturing boom in the 60's was enabled by massive infrastructure spending during the Eisenhower administration. That is how government leads to private sector growth and national prosperity. The problem is, now, a climate that doesn't approve of the government doing any such huge projects, due to a demand for even lower taxes than we currently have(which, compared to the rest of the civilized world, are pretty damned low), and a justifiable fear of deficits. Sadly, no politician, or very few, are going to get up and try to sell that reality. I thought Obama might, but am disappointed so far.

I will agree with a little bit of what you said Slick....However, the government has not historically lead in the development of the economy...I nicely point this out using NASA as an example (as you did)....If that were the case with NASA, why would barry cut their funding so severely now? When you think about windmills and solar panels and how they tried to shove it down our throats, I can see where some of the government was trying to stimulate....I am not picking at you Slick.....just saying I don't totally agree.....this country doesn't have the time to play the economy blame game.... See y'all Sunday evening....