Hope & Change vs Past & Present

[Pudfark]

What on earth makes you (or that idiot) think that the United States of America (let alone Obama) determines the price of a gallon of gasoline?

R_D, who do you think? Determines the price of gas? Were you to mention facts and or factors involved?
I'd be mostly, all ears....

I'd be more interested in you mentioning some facts and factors in support of the original image you posted.

I'm still all ears R_D?
Are you capable of making an informed factual comment?

Are you an idiot? Are you a retard? What is your malfunction?
I asked the original question in this thread, you twit. You know, the one you have made absolutely no attempt what-so-ever to answer!
But that's what you do, isn't it. When asked to provide some facts to support something you've posted, you simply answer the question with another question. Or a Fox news link that conveniently allows you to not have to do any of your own thinking. I gets you off the hook, doesn't it?
What in hell makes you think that I'm going to answer your questions when you've made no attempt to answer the original question that I posted to you in this thread?
Give your head a shake, you pin-head.

Hey, you know what..... now that I think about it, don't bother trying to answer my original question.
From here on in, if I want your opinion on something I'll simply turn on Fox news.

still emotionally overwhelmed with your feelings?

It seems you didn't read Cuda's post...perhaps on purpose?
Cuda nailed it, so, why should I repeat it....I guess? In the future I'll have to repeat things like that...so, the slow learners have a second opportunity to grasp at the concept....

[callmeslick]

what is really sad about CUDA's post is that he knows better, yet posts bullshit to rile people up. It's beneath him. The facts are this:
Gas prices have been, and will continue to float upward due to ongoing demand rising in China and India, coupled with a finite amount of petroleum on the planet, which is slowly running out. The only time you saw a deep drop in prices, coinciding with Obamas term beginning was right after the financial market crash. That was due to speculation capital being sucked out of the market due to a lot of margin calls on stocks and derivatives. Once the financial sector got back in gear, it was business as usual. Now, could you drop the prices if you could, somehow, take petroleum off the commodities futures markets? Sure. But that isn't happening. Res is dead on, there is very little effect due to Presidents or most other governmental factors. Hell, during Obama's term, domestic production is up, refining output is up. Demand, worldwide, is up and by a lot more. Supply and demand, it's Economics 101.

[HappyHappy]

Hell, I will gladly spread some propaganda if it means the defeat of the first communist muslim US president!

OBAMA IS BEHIND HIGH GAS PRICES!

HH

[callmeslick]

heh-heh this November is going to be a blast. Especially with the way the Senate and House races are starting to turn......

[Pudfark]

what is really sad about CUDA's post is that he knows better, yet posts bullshit to rile people up. It's beneath him. The facts are this:
Gas prices have been, and will continue to float upward due to ongoing demand rising in China and India, coupled with a finite amount of petroleum on the planet, which is slowly running out. The only time you saw a deep drop in prices, coinciding with Obamas term beginning was right after the financial market crash. That was due to speculation capital being sucked out of the market due to a lot of margin calls on stocks and derivatives. Once the financial sector got back in gear, it was business as usual. Now, could you drop the prices if you could, somehow, take petroleum off the commodities futures markets? Sure. But that isn't happening. Res is dead on, there is very little effect due to Presidents or most other governmental factors. Hell, during Obama's term, domestic production is up, refining output is up. Demand, worldwide, is up and by a lot more. Supply and demand, it's Economics 101.

Total Bull Shit

Try this on for size...........
How about inflation of the U.S. dollar?
Which has much to do about deficit spending and Lord knows how much extra cash is being printed and circulated. Much of the current price of oil is about the devaluation of the U.S. dollar and how Obama has printed it beyond its value.

Not to mention Iran and their threats about impeding "oil traffic" through the Straits of Houmuz....

We obtain the vast majority of our oil here in the United States from Canada. Yes, there is a world market and it very much influences prices....However, Obama ain't done shit for anybody to influence a lower price. Matter of fact, he has done everything possible, to run the price up.

To put it bluntly, Obama sucks and Slick, you swallow.

[CUDA]

what is really sad about CUDA's post is that he knows better, yet posts bullshit to rile people up. It's beneath him.

and the sad part of your post is it's bullshit and you know it. those ARE the Facts. and they are not disputable. and if my facts are wrong then prove it to us. you cannot and you know it.
try and keep up slick because your back handed jabs are boorish and as you like to point out to woodchip your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

I'd be more interested in you mentioning some facts and factors in support of the original image you posted.
You posted the image.
Now support the image with some facts that will back it up.

FACT On inauguration day 2009 gas was $1.79 a gallon for regular
FACT Today the average price for a gallon of regular is $3.65 and going up
FACT The President initially wanted to drive up oil prices to make renewable energy more attractive.

IF you had read Pud's OP you would have seen that he made no comment in it. it was simply a Picture.

RD responded by wanting facts to support a picture.

NO facts needed. the picture IS fact and those ARE the facts as I pointed out. And facts which went so far over your head you couldn't see them with the Hubble telescope
either that or you've intentionally chosen to go down the same predictable Democratic path of political based falsities again. which is it?

while I did not say that Obama specifically caused gas prices to go up, I WILL say that he has not even given the appearance that he is trying and prevent them from going up. in-FACT. he's done exactly the opposite

Hell, during Obama's term, domestic production is up, refining output is up. Demand, worldwide, is up and by a lot more. Supply and demand, it's Economics 101.

and as I and several others pointed out to you on the other forum. production is up because of Bush policies, not because ANYTHING that Obama has done. at least be truthful slick. "it's beneath you"

so to you slick I point to my signature and request you read it.

[CUDA]

Hell, I will gladly spread some propaganda if it means the defeat of the first communist muslim US president!

OBAMA IS BEHIND HIGH GAS PRICES!

HH

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

[nicolas10]

what is really sad about CUDA's post is that he knows better, yet posts bullshit to rile people up. It's beneath him. The facts are this:
Gas prices have been, and will continue to float upward due to ongoing demand rising in China and India, coupled with a finite amount of petroleum on the planet, which is slowly running out. The only time you saw a deep drop in prices, coinciding with Obamas term beginning was right after the financial market crash. That was due to speculation capital being sucked out of the market due to a lot of margin calls on stocks and derivatives. Once the financial sector got back in gear, it was business as usual. Now, could you drop the prices if you could, somehow, take petroleum off the commodities futures markets? Sure. But that isn't happening. Res is dead on, there is very little effect due to Presidents or most other governmental factors. Hell, during Obama's term, domestic production is up, refining output is up. Demand, worldwide, is up and by a lot more. Supply and demand, it's Economics 101.

BS 101 more so.

Supply & demand >< speculation

Nic

[nicolas10]

Try this on for size...........
How about inflation of the U.S. dollar?
Which has much to do about deficit spending and Lord knows how much extra cash is being printed and circulated. Much of the current price of oil is about the devaluation of the U.S. dollar and how Obama has printed it beyond its value.

Obama prints nothing, Bernanke does. It's a private bank that actually controls the USD. The USD is a worthless bit of paper these days, just like the Euro.

Countries are indebted on purpose, and banksters are going to ask guarantees... in gold (a recent law allowed the debtors of Greece to take guarantees on the greek gold reserves. The greeks can as well kiss their gold goodbye, and once that's done it will be the turn of Italy... and then someone else. By the way before we got to that point, investors (banksters) can get for cheap whole chunks of the country's economy to "help reduce costs" (my ass).

Example in France we have built a very huge network of highways. They were paid 100% by the taxpayer. BUT once it was all done, the state decided to privatise the highways. So some US investment funds now milk the french drivers to use the highways that they have paid for themselves. In the UK it worked like that for the train system, hospitals etc. I remember an example where a brand new hospital was built by the state, and then deemed "too expensive to run" so it was sold at 1/4 of the price to private investors (probably some buddy of the politraitor that made the decision).

Nic

[callmeslick]

apparently, none of you ever invested in the petroleum markets, because there is a shitload of cluelessness here.
Cuda, my explanation was the facts behind oil prices. Politics plays little role, as does government. It's just a commodity, no different than soybeans or wheat, which, by the way, will be the next commodity bubble to bite the world in the ass, once the profit cycles on oil and gasoline die off a bit.......

And, Pud, your comment about inflation of the dollar, could you back it up with comparison of gas prices over the past 20 years versus oil or gas(I think you will find they don't correlate too neatly)? If your theory was right, there should have been no drop in price in 2008-2009, as that was when the most cash was dumped into the monetary system.