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Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:49 pm
by Pudfark
callmeslick wrote:y'all see how well that works out for ya, ya hear?

I'm sure, what Obama said?
Was what you had in mind....

Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:11 pm
by callmeslick
Pudfark wrote:callmeslick wrote:y'all see how well that works out for ya, ya hear?

I'm sure, what Obama said?
Was what you had in mind....

yup, pretty much. No problems here, everything he proposed and everything his exec orders mandated is beyond reasonable. They're common sense.
No one has anything to fear about confiscation, enforcement gets tightened, mental health professionals can inquire about guns in the home, etc.
Where is the problem?
What's a hoot, Pud, is yourownself. First, you get all wee-weed up over what Obama is going to do, then you say he did nothing. Which is it?
Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:49 pm
by Pudfark
"everything his exec orders mandated is beyond reasonable."
That's a "Trump" card.
It's apparent you ain't read it.
So, here ya go...have a read first.
Then point out them "mandates".
And I don't mean, the Barney Franke type.
List of executive actions Obama is taking as part of anti-gun violence plan
The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama is taking to address gun violence.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:51 pm
by callmeslick
I not only read it before firing up the laptop, but the two other copies you posted here already.
What isn't reasonable(as I asked already, elsewhere....you don't have to respond twice, but once would be sort of nice)?
Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:59 pm
by Pudfark
Thanx fer taking the Barney Franke approach and not point out yer mandate.

Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:01 pm
by callmeslick
now, Pud, do I think a bunch of those orders should have been long ago, even before Obama ever took office. Sure
Do I think some of the orders won't amount to anything of substance? Again, sure.
But, overall, every last one of them is reasonable, well-intended and right. If you disagree, let's see some specifics.
Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:02 pm
by Pudfark
callmeslick wrote:I not only read it before firing up the laptop, but the two other copies you posted here already.
What isn't reasonable(as I asked already, elsewhere....you don't have to respond twice, but once would be sort of nice)?
All of that is/has been done before and is done now. Not one original doable thing "proposed" by Obama.
I'm still waiting on the "mandate" thingy...

Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:04 pm
by Pudfark
"well-intended"
Don't get the job done.
It's an excuse for failure.
Which, Obama was this morning.
Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:06 pm
by Pudfark
In other words?
All Joe, B.O. and blow.
In Texas, we call that "windy".
It ain't no compliment.
Re: It is already beginning
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:07 pm
by callmeslick
still no specifics, I note. Oh, and a Mandate? That will come from the public, when they bombard their Representatives to do something, I suspect.