self-fornicating and blind ideology now.
edit: Cherries, and shit.
Ten Daze/Days
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callmeslick
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oh, and with that, I'll be done now. Just posted because I'm a person of my word, and I'd promised Pud to do so. You all can continue with the fictionalizing,
self-fornicating and blind ideology now.
edit: Cherries, and shit.
self-fornicating and blind ideology now.
edit: Cherries, and shit.
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HappyHappy
Re: Ten Daze/Days
Ever know a Democrat to be honest?Barfly wrote:You don't know, you have provided no evidence that's the case as usual, you are just hpoing what has been promisd will be delivered.
Lies are what they are noted for, and Callmeslick is a notable compulsive liar.
HH
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Pudfark
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Well...I'm appreciative of your efforts, Slick. I just have a little question that concerns me?callmeslick wrote:what part of that is my contracted rate at signup next week aren't you grasping? It's not like I posted some estimate from 6 months out, with imaginary insurance companies. That is what I will get from Blue Cross for 2014. I am still double checking Aetna and Cigna off the exchange to see if they can beat the rate or better the other features, but what I posted above is not some random guess. It's the stated, published rate, adjusted for my age, my wife's age, pre-existing conditions and every other extraneous factor.Barfly wrote:You don't know, you have provided no evidence that's the case as usual, you are just hpoing what has been promisd will be delivered.
Boy, the Obama-Haters are just grasping at straws now, huh? No wonder the loony fringe right is desperate enough to shut down government to try and stop this law from taking effect. Simple fear of it actually becoming quite popular.
It has to do with the "bolded" "pre-existing conditions" thingy. It was my understanding/belief that they were not relevant.....anymore? Also, no "cap" on benefits? Folks who are (now) underemployed or unemployed are going to afford DemCare, how? Not pick'n on ya, just asking....?
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callmeslick
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Re: Ten Daze/Days
against my better judgement, I will clarify for you, Pud. Pre-existing conditions are allowed to factor into rates, but are not allowed to be a reason for denial of access to insurance. Right now, that is the law for under-21 children. As of Jan 1, that will be the law for everyone.
And, how do underemployed people afford it? Most of them will now be eligible for Medicaid, which is FREE, hence very affordable.
And, how do underemployed people afford it? Most of them will now be eligible for Medicaid, which is FREE, hence very affordable.
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Pudfark
Re: Ten Daze/Days
Fair enough, Thank You.
Not trying to be a pest....just pursuing the truth....it would seem to me?
On the pre-existing conditions thing....not being able to outright deny coverage?
It would be a simple matter...just to make it "unaffordably" expensive for the lesser "heeled/healed"?
BTW, you're the only person....I've read....who states with a certainty/conviction...that the "DemCare" act is cheaper/more affordable. Just sayin' that others all hint at what you have said...they just didn't have the stones...to throw it out there.
I still say...."it's too early to tell". imho
Not trying to be a pest....just pursuing the truth....it would seem to me?
On the pre-existing conditions thing....not being able to outright deny coverage?
It would be a simple matter...just to make it "unaffordably" expensive for the lesser "heeled/healed"?
BTW, you're the only person....I've read....who states with a certainty/conviction...that the "DemCare" act is cheaper/more affordable. Just sayin' that others all hint at what you have said...they just didn't have the stones...to throw it out there.
I still say...."it's too early to tell". imho
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callmeslick
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Re: Ten Daze/Days
I'm probably the one of the few who jumped on the exchange site the moment it went up. I am sort of pro-active that way.
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Slick, check out the before and after ACA as a 27yo. Some states it is a big increase, what's yours?
Now we have demonstrable evidence that if you try to lead from behind, eventually the guys up front will stop looking back for instructions.
Government-coerced expression is a feature of dictatorships that has no place in a free country
Government-coerced expression is a feature of dictatorships that has no place in a free country
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callmeslick
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Re: Ten Daze/Days
in MOST states it should be substantial, due to the design avoiding making insurance out of reach for middle aged people, DH. Now, it isn't going to as ridiculous as a Manhattan Institute(hard-core libertarian thinktank) tried to suggest, but I would expect rates to double on average. Why? Because right now, 27 year olds don't often bother to buy insurance....something that costs all of us a lot of money due to the propensity of young people to get involved in catastrophic events. Due to low demand, price is low. Under the ACA, they have to buy insurance, so demand rises, and I would expect pricing to rise too, as the 50-something rates are in some ways pegged to the under 30 base rates. No, I cannot give you an accurate Delaware comparison of before v. after, as I wasn't purchasing it before. I can tell you that my rates are around 3 times that of a 25 year old male smoker, for the same policy.
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Pudfark
Re: Ten Daze/Days
This is what disturbs me.....a lot.
President Obama lied to us -- he told America some real whoppers about ObamaCare
President Obama lied to us.
It wasn’t a white lie. It wasn’t a fib. It wasn’t a half truth. It was a bold-faced lie.
“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise,” President Obama told the American Medical Association in 2009. “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”
That statement turned out to be a lie. Period.
On Thursday I asked my Facebook community if they had faced hardships as a result of ObamaCare.
The response was overwhelming. I received nearly 1,000 replies – from small business owners, nurses, doctors, electricians, stay-at-home moms, and military personnel. Every single person said they had been adversely affected by President Obama’s signature legislation.
President Obama also promised us that we would be able to keep our doctor. Another lie.
So let’s break down the president’s lies.
Thursday he told an audience in Largo, Maryland that the Affordable Care Act had not hurt jobs.
“There's no widespread evidence that the Affordable Care Act is hurting jobs,” he said.
Investor’s Business Daily reports that as a direct result of ObamaCare, more than 300 companies have either eliminated jobs or reduced full time jobs to part time jobs. Hospitals across the country are firing staff and reducing work hours.
Janet Blanck owns Country Blossom Florist, a small shop in Gilbert, Ariz. She tells me that as a result of ObamaCare she’s had to lay off three employees.
At one time, she employed eight people. Those who were not let go now work part-time because of rising insurance costs.
“Obama is killing us,” she told me. “It breaks my heart to have to do this. I have to protect what I have built and this is the only way that I know of to get around this law and still stay in business.”
President Obama also promised us that we would be able to keep our doctor. Another lie.
Several hundred of you, like Joel Keefauver, wrote to tell me that your doctors were either shuttering their practices or shedding patients.
“Under the forthcoming Affordable Care Act and new healthcare regulations, I will no longer be able to provide the quality of healthcare you have come to expect and that I believe is proper,” the doctor wrote in a letter to Keefauver. “The increased cost imposed by complying with these new laws, along with decreasing reimbursements, creates a financial burden that is unsustainable for my solo practice.”
DiDi Henry’s elderly mother recently moved from Alabama to Louisiana. She has been unable to find a doctor willing to take Medicare patients.
“Several doctors told her that they just aren’t taking Medicare patients because of ObamaCare,” she told me.
The president also told us ObamaCare would make health insurance affordable? Another whopper.
Business owner Sheila Frey tells me her insurance rates have increased by 46 percent. Her small family-run company is paying $2,000 a month for coverage.
And remember how President Obama promised rebate checks to defray the cost of buying insurance coverage? Well, Shelia tells me her rebate check was a meager $127. You do the math.
Tammy Boisvert told me she had to find a new pediatrician.
“My family doctor of 20 years couldn’t take my newborn due to this insurance mess,” she wrote. “With a family of six all seen by this one doctor, I suddenly had to search for a new pediatrician.”
President Obama promised we could keep our current health care plan. Another lie.
Michelle Cox, of Asheville, N.C. wrote to me about a letter she received Thursday from her insurance company.
“ACA requires is to make significant changes to our health benefits plan designs,” the letter read. “We cannot renew your existing plan in 2014.”
Alissa Delamar is in the same boat -- searching for insurance after her company canceled its group plan.
“I’m stressed so much financially now I can’t fathom any more debt,” she wrote. “It leaves you hopeless.”
Catherine Schneider and her husband own Blue Sky Trucking in Montgomery, Minn. They were just informed that their insurance policy would be canceled in December.
“It’s too expensive,” she said. “The Affordable Care Act is disrupting our business and it has the potential to destroy our family.”
Allison deNijis’s family policy was also canceled.
“I thought Obama said we could keep our insurance?” she asked. “I thought he said our cost would decline? Not true! Epic fail!”
Her family was offered a new policy that now includes a nearly $1,000 monthly premium and $5,000 in individual deductibles.
“I am seriously considering just paying the fine and putting the differential amount in a personal savings account,” she told me. “Why should I pay over $13,000 in premiums?” (I said this six weeks ago)
By the time ObamaCare is fully implemented, I suspect most Americans will be begging for death panels – to put us out of our misery.
Todd Starnes is host of Fox News & Commentary heard on hundreds of radio stations and in his weekly podcast.
Sorta makes a fella wonder...are all these folks racist and hate Obama? Or, do they have legitimate concerns about their financial and medical health under "DemCare"? Why would anyone want/need to undermine this law? What's the benefit to them, to not go along with it? I ain't picking, I'm just asking?
President Obama lied to us -- he told America some real whoppers about ObamaCare
President Obama lied to us.
It wasn’t a white lie. It wasn’t a fib. It wasn’t a half truth. It was a bold-faced lie.
“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise,” President Obama told the American Medical Association in 2009. “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”
That statement turned out to be a lie. Period.
On Thursday I asked my Facebook community if they had faced hardships as a result of ObamaCare.
The response was overwhelming. I received nearly 1,000 replies – from small business owners, nurses, doctors, electricians, stay-at-home moms, and military personnel. Every single person said they had been adversely affected by President Obama’s signature legislation.
President Obama also promised us that we would be able to keep our doctor. Another lie.
So let’s break down the president’s lies.
Thursday he told an audience in Largo, Maryland that the Affordable Care Act had not hurt jobs.
“There's no widespread evidence that the Affordable Care Act is hurting jobs,” he said.
Investor’s Business Daily reports that as a direct result of ObamaCare, more than 300 companies have either eliminated jobs or reduced full time jobs to part time jobs. Hospitals across the country are firing staff and reducing work hours.
Janet Blanck owns Country Blossom Florist, a small shop in Gilbert, Ariz. She tells me that as a result of ObamaCare she’s had to lay off three employees.
At one time, she employed eight people. Those who were not let go now work part-time because of rising insurance costs.
“Obama is killing us,” she told me. “It breaks my heart to have to do this. I have to protect what I have built and this is the only way that I know of to get around this law and still stay in business.”
President Obama also promised us that we would be able to keep our doctor. Another lie.
Several hundred of you, like Joel Keefauver, wrote to tell me that your doctors were either shuttering their practices or shedding patients.
“Under the forthcoming Affordable Care Act and new healthcare regulations, I will no longer be able to provide the quality of healthcare you have come to expect and that I believe is proper,” the doctor wrote in a letter to Keefauver. “The increased cost imposed by complying with these new laws, along with decreasing reimbursements, creates a financial burden that is unsustainable for my solo practice.”
DiDi Henry’s elderly mother recently moved from Alabama to Louisiana. She has been unable to find a doctor willing to take Medicare patients.
“Several doctors told her that they just aren’t taking Medicare patients because of ObamaCare,” she told me.
The president also told us ObamaCare would make health insurance affordable? Another whopper.
Business owner Sheila Frey tells me her insurance rates have increased by 46 percent. Her small family-run company is paying $2,000 a month for coverage.
And remember how President Obama promised rebate checks to defray the cost of buying insurance coverage? Well, Shelia tells me her rebate check was a meager $127. You do the math.
Tammy Boisvert told me she had to find a new pediatrician.
“My family doctor of 20 years couldn’t take my newborn due to this insurance mess,” she wrote. “With a family of six all seen by this one doctor, I suddenly had to search for a new pediatrician.”
President Obama promised we could keep our current health care plan. Another lie.
Michelle Cox, of Asheville, N.C. wrote to me about a letter she received Thursday from her insurance company.
“ACA requires is to make significant changes to our health benefits plan designs,” the letter read. “We cannot renew your existing plan in 2014.”
Alissa Delamar is in the same boat -- searching for insurance after her company canceled its group plan.
“I’m stressed so much financially now I can’t fathom any more debt,” she wrote. “It leaves you hopeless.”
Catherine Schneider and her husband own Blue Sky Trucking in Montgomery, Minn. They were just informed that their insurance policy would be canceled in December.
“It’s too expensive,” she said. “The Affordable Care Act is disrupting our business and it has the potential to destroy our family.”
Allison deNijis’s family policy was also canceled.
“I thought Obama said we could keep our insurance?” she asked. “I thought he said our cost would decline? Not true! Epic fail!”
Her family was offered a new policy that now includes a nearly $1,000 monthly premium and $5,000 in individual deductibles.
“I am seriously considering just paying the fine and putting the differential amount in a personal savings account,” she told me. “Why should I pay over $13,000 in premiums?” (I said this six weeks ago)
By the time ObamaCare is fully implemented, I suspect most Americans will be begging for death panels – to put us out of our misery.
Todd Starnes is host of Fox News & Commentary heard on hundreds of radio stations and in his weekly podcast.
Sorta makes a fella wonder...are all these folks racist and hate Obama? Or, do they have legitimate concerns about their financial and medical health under "DemCare"? Why would anyone want/need to undermine this law? What's the benefit to them, to not go along with it? I ain't picking, I'm just asking?
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callmeslick
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back to cut and paste of completely unsubstantiated claims(show us the letters, let's talk to the real people, where are any real numbers, etc).
And, that, my friends, is why I choose to avoid 'debate' here. It's impossible to debate fiction. I gave you real numbers, a real example, and how quickly it reverts to 'right-wing blogosphere' cut and paste. Sad. One would have thought ONE of you could come back with actual facts....maybe even YOUR personal comparison, with YOUR actual before/after numbers.
And, that, my friends, is why I choose to avoid 'debate' here. It's impossible to debate fiction. I gave you real numbers, a real example, and how quickly it reverts to 'right-wing blogosphere' cut and paste. Sad. One would have thought ONE of you could come back with actual facts....maybe even YOUR personal comparison, with YOUR actual before/after numbers.