A Complete Waste of Space

Pudfark wrote:With "your debt" zooming over 18 trillion bucks....poor folks gonna have to pay that too....They'll remember in November....and the many Novembers to come in the future. Y'all let Obama shoot ya in both feats/feets/fetes.

saw an economic analysis the other day that stated the following:
If we hadn't had ten years of the Bush tax cuts, two wars and a Prescription drug plan for Medicare unpaid for, the nation would have completely paid down any debt incurred for recovery from the recession, and would be approaching zero national debt.

callmeslick wrote:

Pudfark wrote:With "your debt" zooming over 18 trillion bucks....poor folks gonna have to pay that too....They'll remember in November....and the many Novembers to come in the future. Y'all let Obama shoot ya in both feats/feets/fetes.

saw an economic analysis the other day that stated the following:
If we hadn't had ten years of the Bush tax cuts, two wars and a Prescription drug plan for Medicare unpaid for, the nation would have completely paid down any debt incurred for recovery from the recession, and would be approaching zero national debt.

Scratches head....oh sure, yeah....that's a great excuse fer adding many more trillions of debt. What the heck....two wrongs make a left. Three lefts make a right. Four lefts make a full circle. Now we're back to where we started.

By all means...lets focus on this "Prescription drug plan for Medicare unpaid for" and not mention this "ObamaCare"..

Them two wars....hmmm blame them on Bush....conveniently forgetting...our country was attacked, thousands died.
Then let's not mention....all the money Barry & Hillary saved us in Benghazi...or mention how much they gave the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and how well that went. BTW...since ya brought up paying down the debt? How do ya do that, when yer borrowing all the time?

If I haven't said it recently....?
You're still full of shite.
Nicely meant of course...

'many more trillions'? Where or when was that done, beyond the recession based issues(low revenue stream, outlays to keep the economy from complete collapse)?

Oh, and you want to know how to start paying down the debt? Ask Bill Clinton, he was doing so until Bush fucked that up. Also, 'thousands dying' because of small terrorist group does NOT justify or even make sensible, getting involved in two wars, one of whom was with a nation that had NOTHING to do with the attack. In fact, doing so, and not asking the nation's taxpayers to pay for them was essentially as STUPID a response as we could have mustered.

callmeslick wrote:'many more trillions'? Where or when was that done, beyond the recession based issues(low revenue stream, outlays to keep the economy from complete collapse)?

Oh, and you want to know how to start paying down the debt? Ask Bill Clinton, he was doing so until Bush fucked that up. Also, 'thousands dying' because of small terrorist group does NOT justify or even make sensible, getting involved in two wars, one of whom was with a nation that had NOTHING to do with the attack. In fact, doing so, and not asking the nation's taxpayers to pay for them was essentially as STUPID a response as we could have mustered.

Are ya making excuses....for the excessive crippling debt that Obama and the Dem's have "strapped on" America....under the guise of "helping the poor"? Then he takes it away by signing the "food stamp reduction" bill. When he has refused to sign any other bills that would result in deficit reduction? Do you really believe what you write here?

After five plus years....you're still tossing out the Bush thingy? Five years...of the blame thingy...instead of the fix thingy.
The only thingy Barack has accomplished is doubling the debt....fecking up more than half the populations health care....lying and getting caught at it. Have I mentioned what he's done to our military? Our country is about as prepared now, as we were in the middle 1930's, militarily speaking. Take a look at the history book and see what was allowed to happen/occur then. Then open yer eyes and see what's taking shape now.

Obama and his world wide ilk.....using "Global Climate change" as a ruse, while collectively ruining the economies of their countries....to?
Force another "Global War". That war will be a nuke war...Nobody, because of their incurred debt, can afford to fight it conventionally. There are not enough conveyances, fuel or the ability to protect them...on this planet to fight in a World Wide War.

You might give some thought to the above.....maybe a little mirror time with yerself, while contemplating yer role in "aiding and abetting" it.

Pudfark wrote:Are ya making excuses....for the excessive crippling debt that Obama and the Dem's have "strapped on" America....under the guise of "helping the poor"? Then he takes it away by signing the "food stamp reduction" bill. When he has refused to sign any other bills that would result in deficit reduction? Do you really believe what you write here?

no, I'm stating clearly that no such thing has been done. The Dems have put very little new debt onto the nation. The vast bulk of our current debt is due to past laws and two wars not being budgeted(and thus taxed) for.

the rest of what you wrote was complete gibberish. The bottom line is that blaming Obama for the debt is like blaming Katrina for flooding caused by 40 years of bad sea-wall and levee construction. Just because he inherited the mess, and the GOP members of Congress refused to undo the revenue shortfall, doesn't make this his fault whatsover. The business about global wars and somehow tying it in with the proven fact which is climate change merely makes me think you started Valentine's Day off with an early Happy Hour.

why the Dems likely don't get too worried.....
http://www.npr.org/2014/02/14/276977809 ... arty-again

hell, Boehner might lose a challenge for HIS seat, and then HIS district might have the good sense to kick the Tea Party in the ass. How funny would that be?

I'll follow up the above with this observation and a prediction, Pud:
Observation--this whole fracture of the GOP is the damndest political theater I've ever watched. I was too young to grasp it, but was told how the civil rights thing split the Dems for a while. I am old enough to remember the Vietnam war doing similar. In both cases, the adults in the room ultimately got things under control and kept the party together nationwide. Right now, it looks like the adults in the GOP room(examples-Boehner, McConnell) have utterly NO control over the wing of the party that dominates their candidate-selection process. Yet, those adults see full well that the candidates that emerge generally get crushed, except for maybe 1/5 of the districts, nationwide. That, coupled with changing demographics, could spell doom for the Republican party, and it's clear that most of the nation despises what the Tea Party stands for, so they could never morph into a national force, either. Thus, you might be left with nearly a generation of Democrat dominance, which even I would argue is a bad thing, just due to lack of check and balance controls.

Prediction--I'll put this up here, and in 8 years, if ACWOS is still here, and both of us are(God willing) alive and able to locate it in the archives, we'll look back and assess it: I predict that within 3, or at most 4 election cycles(8 years), TEXAS will be a Democrat state.

callmeslick wrote:I'll follow up the above with this observation and a prediction, Pud:
Observation--this whole fracture of the GOP is the damndest political theater I've ever watched. I was too young to grasp it, but was told how the civil rights thing split the Dems for a while. I am old enough to remember the Vietnam war doing similar. In both cases, the adults in the room ultimately got things under control and kept the party together nationwide. Right now, it looks like the adults in the GOP room(examples-Boehner, McConnell) have utterly NO control over the wing of the party that dominates their candidate-selection process. Yet, those adults see full well that the candidates that emerge generally get crushed, except for maybe 1/5 of the districts, nationwide. That, coupled with changing demographics, could spell doom for the Republican party, and it's clear that most of the nation despises what the Tea Party stands for, so they could never morph into a national force, either. Thus, you might be left with nearly a generation of Democrat dominance, which even I would argue is a bad thing, just due to lack of check and balance controls.

Prediction--I'll put this up here, and in 8 years, if ACWOS is still here, and both of us are(God willing) alive and able to locate it in the archives, we'll look back and assess it: I predict that within 3, or at most 4 election cycles(8 years), TEXAS will be a Democrat state.

Your first paragraph, I will concede is well written, refreshing...actually. You made several points that I am in general agreement with. There are also several, I don't. However, in the overall....you stated your position well. Thank you for that. It was and enjoyable read. Friday nights are Call of Duty game nights here....and I just finished a three hour session with that. BTW, my wife plays as well. The folks we play with are "Yankee's" on the east coast....Grandparents and their grandkids. Mighty fine folks.
I'm now on my second "stress relief" whiskey...so I'll respond in some detail to this tomorrow. My response will be as respectful as yours...a certainty.

On yer prediction....well I say this....I respectfully disagree...
I'll tease ya with this....Wendy Davis has pretty much shot that effort down...not permanently, but for longer than eight years.
The wild card in yer prediction is "immigration" reform?
If it doesn't come to "pass"...yer wrong and mark me down fer that opinion.
If it does...you could be right/write/rite?

I have stated previously...and will do so again now...which is one thing...based upon what you wrote above...No single party has the best idea's. Nobody in D.C. is willing to negotiate/compromise. We can lambaste each other with the reasons why? That's what they've been doing...both parties and everyone has suffered from it. The only viable future of this country is with at least a two party system....that honorably finds a way to compromise. That, I think/believe, we agree upon.

More Saturday from me....I'm a dab knackered from getting my ass handed to me by two nine year olds....for the last three hours in Call of Duty....those kids are damn good and a delight to talk to. Their parents and grandparents are the top of the line.

Hope ya had a Happy V-Day.

Then...there's this...to go along with that.....

Obama's minimum wage plan would hurt poor

“We know that Dems like to redistribute income, and they pretend it’s always from the rich to the poor,” he said. “What the CBO has shown, absolutely clearly, is that when you raise the minimum wage, you’re redistributing income from one set of low income people to another set of low income people.”

“There are going to be about half a million people who go from $7 an hour to zero,” he said. “They’re going to be destitute.”

“The irony is, that the winners get a marginal advantage, but for the losers, it’s devastation,” he said. “This administration is robbing the people it says it really wants to help.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02 ... latestnews

Old Pudfark sez: " Seems like Obama not only took the food off the table...he's taking the plate...too. "

For them what can't/won't read:

lots of data to counter that idiotic argument......spend the spare time in which you reply to threads with moronic replies based on Fox and Breitbart and look up some real data examples. Start with states that have raised minimum wages on their own.