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Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:28 pm
by Pudfark
It's a waste of time to listen to Obama....excuses, blame, dreams..and a large dose of "Hep me, I fallen and I can't get up"...and you're to stupid to understand.....after a year of that crap "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"....most folks are wore out....his ratings prove it....

Actions with results speak louder than words..........look at his actions....

Old Pudfark sez: " Obamy is so breezy...he could blow a stage coach up a horses hind end "

Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:37 am
by callmeslick
David Brooks put it so well, I'm going to quote him here. Obama has to refocus on what he was elected for, to be the sane voice amidst the partisan loons.....
David Brooks wrote:You made a good start in the State of the Union address, I would tell him. In that speech, you began to reclaim the mantle of the permanent outsider.

First, you distanced yourself from the Democratic orthodoxy. You embraced some traditional Democratic policies, but also an eclectic grab bag of other policies that play well with independents: a spending freeze that excluded defense, nuclear power, offshore drilling, the elimination of a capital gains tax on small business, a fiscal commission, free trade deals and earmark reform.

Second, you distanced yourself from the old debates. You sidestepped the whole big-government-versus-small-government question. Instead of doing the liberal-people-versus-the-powerful shtick, you emphasized targeted tax cuts, deficit reduction and community bank subsidies.

Third, you distanced yourself from Washington morality. At times the speech was like a vice principal’s lecture to an unruly middle school classroom. You scolded Democrats and Republicans about excessive partisanship, pettiness and insider-dealing. You cast yourself as the sole coolheaded man in Gomorrah.

In short, you made it clear that you will not be going down with the Congressional Titanic. You took a few steps toward recapturing your image as the last thoughtful reformer. Now you have to embrace that role with a vengeance.

There aren’t going to be any big new policy initiatives this year anyway. You might as well cross the country on a Perot-like tour of consciousness-raising, complete with charts and everything.

The deficits are the issue around which everything else revolves. The mounting deficits both symbolize Washington’s institutional dysfunction and genuinely threaten the nation.

You want to cross the country screaming the facts. As you do, states like California and Illinois will be undergoing fiscal implosions to illustrate your ongoing point. You want to use the fiscal crisis as a wedge to change the way the whole system operates.

If you get a deficit-reduction deal, you break through the polarized rigidities that encrust everything else. You wipe clean the special-interest barnacles that encrust the tax code. You force the country to think in 30-year increments and deliver a blow to the tyranny of the news cycle. You force the country to accept common sacrifice. This is the issue that unlocks everything else. So will you establish your credibility and offer to raise taxes on the lower 98 percent? Yes, you can!

If the setbacks of the last year haven’t radicalized you about the sickness of our current political system, Mr. President, I don’t know what will. Are you really content to spend the year lobbying for tiny tax credits for ineffective training programs?

He’s out there — that saner Ross Perot. He’s a-comin’. The country would be better off if it were you.

Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:58 am
by HappyHappy
No comments for good reasons.
I rarely watch or listen to a state of the union speech as
they tend to be lame (no matter whom the speaker is).
But I watched this one. I was hoping to see Osama pull
a hissy fit of biblical proportions.

I was not disappointed. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The loss of the murderous senator's seat to a fine REPUBLICAN
was met with a thunderous "Who me" and "What Me Worry?" speach.

The Election of Mr. Brown gave me satisfaction in many ways. It
was like a super bowl win for my home team.

The Democratic melt down is far better. Watching the left wing crumple
and squirm in a frenzy to perform damage control in order to achieve the
ultimate objective (re-election at all costs!).

Give em HELL Osama, show us how tough you really are.
You fill me with confidence that a REPUBLICAN landslide is in the near future.

While Teddy Kennedy is choking on muddy sea water in HELL his beloved
neo-communist party is collapsing under the weight of panic and self pity.

As I see it the ultimate horror is in the near future.
Mr. Brown will run against Osama Obama in 2012.

It's a GREAT day to be a REPUBLICAN.

HH

Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:04 am
by callmeslick
keep whistling past the graveyard, Happy. GOP support numbers in Congress are the same, statistically,
as Democrats: 13%. Hardly cause for great cheer.
Hell, I'll bet you, right here, publicly, that Brown won't retain that seat in the regular election(2012?). This time, the Dems won't be protesting, and they won't run someone as lame as Coakley. Honestly, if you can't see that the same electorate propelled Brown into office that propelled Obama into office, you might want to go back and learn something about politics. Yes, Obama got a push due to dispirited Reps, and Brown got a push from bummed-out leftwing Dems, but the driver in both elections is a public fed up with a government that cannot govern. If I was an incumbant, from either party, I'd be scared shitless. As it should be, IMHO.
Read what Mr. Brooks, of the WSJ, Brooking Institute, et al wrote, in my post above, about a nation just ripe for the next, saner, version of Ross Perot.

Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:06 am
by ruggbutt
Don't worry about Slick, Happy. He's from the party where laws of the land don't matter. 14 million lawbreakers and he doesn't think that our law enforcement should do anything about it. Thing is, he's so myopic that he can't see the bigger picture where people are being killed across the border and American LE are being killed and wounded as a result of the by-product of illegal immigration. He can't figure out for himself that kidnapping is a huge problem, then again I'll bet he won't admit that since it's illegals kidnapping illegals he just doesn't think that matters much. He doesn't care that a city in his country is #1 in the world for kidnapping. And being the liberal that he is he doesn't give a shit about the coke, H, weed and whatever else comes across the border because his party is full of coke snorters and tokers. He doesn't care that drug cartels become richer and more people are killed and kidnapped in a never ending cycle of violence. But hey, most of those killed are just across the border so it's irrelevant anyhow.

Yeah Happy, Slick doesn't have a fecking clue about the real world. As long as he's drinking his DNC kool-aid and his "boys" are in power that's all he cares about. What's really happening in this country doesn't matter. In fact, I suspect that Slick sees the whole left vs. right thing as more of a sports match and who wins then what's really happening. Cuz if he did he'd be more worried about who loses.

Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:37 pm
by callmeslick
you know you're blowing smoke up everyone's ass, Ruggie. I've long felt the left-right thing is a distraction that is perpetuating the fact that we don't have real government. Oh, and by the way: if you had effective government, maybe we'd be able to pay for laws to be enforced. You know as well as I do that we can't AFFORD to search out immigrants and deport them, and that has always been my only problem with that theory. So, we have to focus on rooting out the gross offenders, the gang-bangers and other violent types, and maybe hope that someone in leadership can get past the 'left v. right' silliness long enough to enact cost-effective enforcement against those hiring illegal aliens. There's far less than 14 million of them, so it would seem to be doable.

Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:02 pm
by Pudfark
callmeslick wrote:Hell, I'll bet you, right here, publicly, that Brown won't retain that seat in the regular election(2012?). This time, the Dems won't be protesting, and they won't run someone as lame as Coakley. Honestly, if you can't see that the same electorate propelled Brown into office that propelled Obama into office, you might want to go back and learn something about politics. Yes, Obama got a push due to dispirited Reps, and Brown got a push from bummed-out leftwing Dems, but the driver in both elections is a public fed up with a government that cannot govern. If I was an incumbant, from either party, I'd be scared shitless. As it should be, IMHO.
Well...every once in awhile...you get it... I wonder how many others understand what you wrote..and its meaning and implication?

Obama is not the solution or cure...neither are the current representatives or senators....the Supreme Court? geez........
This country must have a "change" and it damn sure ain't Obama's kind of change...We all must be very, very careful about the next change....as it may well be our last and final opportunity to unravel this "goat fuck" that we have evolved into....

I advocate a return to the original Constitution, the Bill of Rights and most of the other amendments....for one reason....it worked.

The people failed the Constitution...not the Costitution failed the people...Where all of us, including our forebearers, failed was in our due diligence to be vigilant. It seems folks just went to sleep during the last one hundred years and we now have this mess...It is our inherited and current mess...It is our responsibility to straighten it out, correctly and permanently.
We are all, running out of time and opportunities...not to mention money and patience....

I don't care if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent...all are important to our system of self government...
What I do care about is Integrity and Term Limitations for all...with no exceptions, ever.

None of this is an "overnight" solution...it will take time...at least 4 years at this juncture....and a lifetime for each following generation....

I believe this is what must be done to insure/ensure it......

A clean sweep of every congressman and senator to include the president as they come up for re-election....anyone to replace them that guarantees Integrity, Accountability and will vote for Term Limitations for all. This will be our new beginning.

We must educate all of our children...to be "Constitutionly Responsible" caretakers..to remain vigilant...and to perpetuate the freedoms that they have inherited....the results of this endeavor will not be readily apparent in our lifetimes....
We have in my opinion, 4-5 generations poisoned with indifference, historical mistruths, apathy, an entitlement ethic, and a fundamental attitude, that "Loop holing" everthing, is ok. This has to change now. Legislation of new laws will keep the current 4-5 generations honest (I am one of them), and a proper education for our children and grandchildren..should take root in the next twenty years or so.....I hope....

Some of y'all are gleefuly lick'n yer chops...and see this a wonderful opportunity...to jump right in there..with both barrels a blazin to criticize....go right ahead...that's why this was writen.....when, your done...see if you have the balls to "Man up" and throw yer two cents/sense out there....

Old Pudfark sez: " Change...is ok,as long as it has in it..Integrity,Resposibility and Accountability "

Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:26 pm
by callmeslick
ok, who kidnapped Pudfark and replaced him with a thinking adult?

In fact, the only things above that I would question were the reliance on term limits(I don't think they are the solution, necessarily) and that Obama doesn't have any answers. I think he might be the ONLY major US politician that understands what is going on out there in the electorate. The sooner he throws Congress under the wheels of the bus, and takes his case to the public, the better.

The points on which I will give Pudfark a real attaboy on are 1) the acceptance that we face both a serious problem, and one that will require a LONG period of public diligence. and 2) The fact that this was a long time coming, and was a case of the People not living up to the expectations of their Constitution, as opposed to any failure or shortcoming of the Constitutionally designed system.

As I like to quote, from the late Walt Kelly in "Pogo"--"We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:27 pm
by ruggbutt
callmeslick wrote: You know as well as I do that we can't AFFORD to search out immigrants and deport the
We can't AFFORD the deficit that Bush and Obama put us in either. But just like the war and the Bailout those things were (allegedly) necessary for this country to prosper, be safe, etc (at least according to our government). But you know as well as I do that the current administration is doing less than the previous administration regarding enforcing the laws of this country. And with you parroting your parties lies you just put your head in the sand and say fuck it, we can't AFFORD it. We can save $40k for every prisoner in Federal Custody, we can't afford that so why don't we just let 'em all out? We can't afford the health care that Obama is still trying to shove down our throats. We can't afford a lot of stuff but you know goddamn well as I do that with 1 in 10 out of work that 14 million jobs freed up for Americans that we'd be further down the recovery road than we are now. The dude I just fired begged me for his job back and told me he'd work for $10 an hour. There are more and more Americans who are willing to do the work that the illegals are doing. It ain't just picking fruits and veggies. It's food service, construction, hotels, and other jobs that Americans have done in the past and are willing to do now.

We can't AFFORD not to arrest and deport them every time the police comes across one of them.

Re: Awesome, no comments on the State of the Union?

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:13 pm
by callmeslick
ruggbutt wrote:We can't AFFORD not to arrest and deport them every time the police comes across one of them.

actually, I'd agree with that. We just don't have the resources to devote police time to seeking them out, and the cops, it would seem, just aren't going to run across the vast majority, as they are living in the shadows and generally avoiding police contact.