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Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:26 am
by Pudfark
HappyHappy wrote:If you let them in, they WILL do you in.
Wall, cage or bury them....works for me.
How many terrorists did Bush capture or kill?
How many did he let go?
How many terrorists did Obama kill? (no known terrorists captured in seven years)
How many did he let go? How many had involvement in Brussels?
Will Slick place his family at the forefront of terrorism, to back up his words.."That's the price for real freedom sometimes." ?
Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:49 pm
by callmeslick
more bullshit. First off, Obama has done in, and CAPTURED, more terrorist leaders than his predecessor. BY FAR. We no longer have Bin Laden to worry about, ISIS leadership gets picked off, and has been reduced to deperately trying to hold territory in the Middle East, and send out bombers to disrupt Europe.
What you two REALLY seem not to grasp is the unique nature of Europe's problems that in NO WAY relate to the US. So far:
1. They had a large population of Muslims, who came to the region post WWII intact. Not so the US.
2. They tended to create ISOLATED enclaves of Muslims separated from European culture and in many cases economic benefits. No so in the US.
3. They did not encourage integration in most Euro nations. Not so in the US
4. They had second and third generation citizens, hardened in those Muslim ghettoes, leave the nation for training and indoctrination, and then
return, with little or no oversight as to movement between Euro countries. Not so in the US
These reasons and others are PRECISELY why the approach given by, say, Trump or Cruz is suicidal. Cruz pushes for ghettoes, patrolled by the cops, Trump wants to paint all Muslims here in the US as potential threats. Then, we'd be taken one step towards the isolation and disenfranchisement one sees in France, Belgium, others. Kasich understands this, so do Sanders and Clinton.
Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:39 pm
by Reservoir_Dog
You better stop it, Slick.
You'll confuse the living shit out of the lunatic fringe by telling them how the world REALLY works.
Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:38 pm
by callmeslick
hell, we barely have room in ghettoes for the darker skinned people, we need more?
Oh, and for the assclowns who will come along and say, we've had people in isolated enclaves in the US before and they didn't become terrorists. Au Contraire, as Nic would say: The Italian slums gave rise to both anarchist bombers and assassins, plus the Mafia. Likewise, the Jewish and Irish slums gave us organized crime. Riots from the slum housing of blacks, plus some splinter terrorist groups along the way. So on. The two big lessons, which Obama seems to get, but most right-wingers miss altogether, is that social and economic conditions BREED desperation, and result in either crime or violent uprisings. This has always been the case, and, in fact, is one of the reasons I feel the urgency to address the current US economic model, which is plunging 95% of the entire population into an irreversable slide into poverty. I fear the backlash, which will make the March of the Trumptards seem civilized and tame, and, for domestic purposes, make any threat from or fear of Islamic terrorism seem quaint.
Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:49 pm
by Reservoir_Dog
callmeslick wrote:hell, we barely have room in ghettoes for the darker skinned people, we need more?
Oh, and for the assclowns who will come along and say, we've had people in isolated enclaves in the US before and they didn't become terrorists. Au Contraire, as Nic would say: The Italian slums gave rise to both anarchist bombers and assassins, plus the Mafia. Likewise, the Jewish and Irish slums gave us organized crime. Riots from the slum housing of blacks, plus some splinter terrorist groups along the way. So on. The two big lessons, which Obama seems to get, but most right-wingers miss altogether, is that social and economic conditions BREED desperation, and result in either crime or violent uprisings. This has always been the case, and, in fact, is one of the reasons I feel the urgency to address the current US economic model, which is plunging 95% of the entire population into an irreversable slide into poverty. I fear the backlash, which will make the March of the Trumptards seem civilized and tame, and, for domestic purposes, make any threat from or fear of Islamic terrorism seem quaint.
All that typing ..... and honor thief will come back with toilet humor.
Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:59 pm
by callmeslick
and the people that I give a shit about will see the glaring difference.
Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:23 pm
by Darkhorse
callmeslick wrote:more bullshit. First off, Obama has done in, and CAPTURED, more terrorist leaders than his predecessor. BY FAR. We no longer have Bin Laden to worry about, ISIS leadership gets picked off, and has been reduced to deperately trying to hold territory in the Middle East, and send out bombers to disrupt Europe.
What you two REALLY seem not to grasp is the unique nature of Europe's problems that in NO WAY relate to the US. So far:
1. They had a large population of Muslims, who came to the region post WWII intact. Not so the US.
2. They tended to create ISOLATED enclaves of Muslims separated from European culture and in many cases economic benefits. No so in the US.
3. They did not encourage integration in most Euro nations. Not so in the US
4. They had second and third generation citizens, hardened in those Muslim ghettoes, leave the nation for training and indoctrination, and then
return, with little or no oversight as to movement between Euro countries. Not so in the US
These reasons and others are PRECISELY why the approach given by, say, Trump or Cruz is suicidal. Cruz pushes for ghettoes, patrolled by the cops, Trump wants to paint all Muslims here in the US as potential threats. Then, we'd be taken one step towards the isolation and disenfranchisement one sees in France, Belgium, others. Kasich understands this, so do Sanders and Clinton.
The Muslims create there own ghettos known as ribat—frontier posts and in most cases refuse to integrate into the host Nation and many of those that appear to be integrating are practicing Taqiyya - not as dissimulation but as active deceit. In fact, deceit, which is doctrinally grounded in Islam, is often depicted as being equal—sometimes superior—to other universal military virtues, such as courage, fortitude, or self-sacrifice. Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream … Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era. (Sami Mukaram, At-Taqiyya fi 'l-Islam (London: Mu'assisat at-Turath ad-Druzi, 2004), p. 7, author's translation.)
Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:35 pm
by Darkhorse
A lesson from Indonesia:
For thousands of years my country (Indonesia) was a Hindu Buddhist kingdom. The last Hindu king was kind enough to give a tax exempt property for the first Muslim missionary to live and to preach his religion. Slowly the followers of the new religion were growing, and after they became so strong the kingdom was attacked, those who refused to become Muslims had to flee for their life to the neighboring island of Bali or to a high mountain of Tengger, where they have been able to keep their religion until now. Slowly from the Hindu Buddhist Kingdom, Indonesia became the largest Islamic country in the world. If there is any lesson to be learnt by Americans at all, the history of my country is worth pondering upon. We are not hate mongering, bigoted people; rather, we are freedom loving, democracy loving and human loving people. We just don't want this freedom and democracy to be taken away from us by our ignorance and misguided "political correctness", and the pretension of tolerance.(Source: Facing Islam, endorsement section). The words of Fr. Daniel Byantoro.
Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:00 pm
by callmeslick
not sure I accept the prevalence of deceit in the culture, and from limited contacts, the Euros are FAR more to blame for the isolation(real estate practices, banking and educational systems) than are the Islamic community. The Indonesian experience is interesting although I suspect the good father has an ax to grind, there. Once again, my contact with Indonesians is limited to no more than 8 or 9 people in my life, but they were not all Muslims, and those that weren't had no real beef with Muslims. How long ago was that Hindu ruler in charge?
edit-- the good Father is a convert from Islam to Orthodoxy and since doing so has been on something of a crusade. He still resides in Indonesia, putting the lie to Muslims rendering it homogeneous. The authors of the first piece are converts from Islam, also, with an ax to grind, it would seem, although less is available in a short web search.
Re: Terrorist attack?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:28 pm
by callmeslick
callmeslick wrote:not sure I accept the prevalence of deceit in the culture, and from limited contacts, the Euros are FAR more to blame for the isolation(real estate practices, banking and educational systems) than are the Islamic community. The Indonesian experience is interesting although I suspect the good father has an ax to grind, there. Once again, my contact with Indonesians is limited to no more than 8 or 9 people in my life, but they were not all Muslims, and those that weren't had no real beef with Muslims. How long ago was that Hindu ruler in charge?
edit-- the good Father is a convert from Islam to Orthodoxy and since doing so has been on something of a crusade. He still resides in Indonesia, putting the lie to Muslims rendering it homogeneous. There is some debate whether he has been excommunicated for some of his actions by the church.The authors of the first piece are converts from Islam, also, with an ax to grind, it would seem, although less is available in a short web search.