A Complete Waste of Space

callmeslick wrote:

ruggbutt wrote:First things first, who do we pray to when we pray to our creator or the messiah?

interesting stuff. Glad the weather cooled. I quoted just the above to clarify one point. To varying degrees, Christianity developed the concept of the deity being a simultaneous presence in three parts(the Trinity):
God, his Son(God manifest as a man) and the Holy Spirit(varying definitions of this between Christian sects).
This is wildly different, and, to some extent sets Christianity apart from true monotheistic religions.

what sets Christianity apart from other "religions" is that, man has to seek out and find a relationship with God. in Christianity God is seeking out the relationship with Man

bearkiller wrote:
You're looking for an argument.

Incorrect. You're emotional about religion. Period. You've been emotional in the past about it and left here for a while. If you truly wanna discuss this stuff then stop pointing fingers and telling people how they feel or that they don't believe. Because you have no clue about either in relation to me.

And I'll tell ya what, I won't respond to your comments anymore. So you won't (incorrectly) state I'm looking for an argument.

As for six 24 hour days, that's preposterous. We exist, live and die in the blink of our creator's eye. The bible says so. Has (anyone else besides Buzz) ever thought that maybe 24 hours equals a millisecond in the creator's time? If that's possible (and many people believe it is) then maybe what scientists see as "evolution" is the creator creating. 100 million years may only equal a day in the creator's existence. I'm not gonna post a bunch of scripture, I'll let ya'll find it, but I'm covering very well known points from the Bible that even most Sunday school kids understand. Sunday...............I'll expound on why it's really the first day of the week.

If you can grasp all that you can also understand the rift between the creator and his wife. Remember, we're all made in his image, and he made a companion for man. It's not a stretch to think that he has a companion as well. We all know Satan became full of (according to many bibles) himself and tried to do what Yahweh could do. This would explain dinosaurs, prehistoric man, all sorts of stuff. But Satan couldn't get it right. It took the Creator to do so. Yahweh gave us science. We can prove many of the old food laws are based in science. Everyone knows about the "don't eat swine" stuff in the Old Testament. The scientific reason is trichinosis. Look it up. It was prevalent back then because of how quick meat had to be eaten, preserved or thrown away. Science backs up a whole bunch of stuff from the bible, remember I said this.

Anyhow, after Satan (Halil, Yahweh's wife) became full of herself Yahweh cast her out. Think about it folks. What's worse than a woman scorned? It's classic good vs. bad and if you can open your minds enuf to think that maybe, just maybe that might be the case the angst between Satan and the Creator makes much more sense. God was old school, the wife shall submit to the husband. God is an angry god. All that good stuff.

Anyhow, after Satan (Halil, Yahweh's wife)

and of course you can back this up with proof right. just 1 verse from scripture.

"Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar." Proverbs 30:5-6

Ruggy,

I might be old, but i'm sure I didn't mention anything about the 6 days. Don't forget the one day of rest.

Your posts to me are like you're teaching me. I don't need it. I've read the Bible many times. I've studied with a very good pastor. I even thought about becoming one.

There's nothing you can tell me that I don't already know.

I'm emotional about my faith? I sure am. I don't see that as a negative. I will tell you something though. When I talk to a brother Christian. I get along just fine and we have the same thoughts. I wish I could say that about you, but I can't.

I'm sure you'll turn that around that i'm judging you again. Grin...

CUDA wrote:

Would a christian pass judgment? It's not your call to do that.

we dont need to judge, we just read the signs. you judge yourself.

Galatians 5:19-24 (New International Version)

19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires

now, this quote is an interesting selection. And, that is one of the beauties of the Bible, and somewhat troubling to some: a vast array of somewhat conflicted messages arise from the entire volume. The passage quoted here by CUDA is the cornerstone of the Calvinist branch of Protestantism. In effect, it suggests that the good works of a man are the manifestation of his Godliness, and then they take it one step further(here, again referring to Calvanists, Presbytarians(sp?),Congregationalists) and believe that Godliness is pre-ordained. In other words, at birth, God has determined the good or evil in a person. I never quite understood how folks could accept such, but that is the theological theory.

CUDA wrote: what sets Christianity apart from other "religions" is that, man has to seek out and find a relationship with God. in Christianity God is seeking out the relationship with Man

depends on your way of interpreting Christianity. See my bit on pre-ordination of faith above.

bearkiller wrote: Your posts to me are like you're teaching me. I don't need it.

Buzz, this thread was started by Slick as I offered to give him my take on the bible. You're welcome to post but if you think I'm posting any of this specifically for you then you need to get over yourself. I don't care if you like what I post or think I'm doing this for you. I'm not. You're doing what's good for you and unlike some christians, I don't care if you believe one word of what I'm saying. Your spirituality is your business. As mine is mine. And how I believe doesn't affect you and vice versa.

bearkiller wrote:Your posts to me are like you're teaching me. I don't need it. I've read the Bible many times. I've studied with a very good pastor. I even thought about becoming one.

I don't read it that way. Yes, Ruggie is presenting a set of beliefs and facts which he has gathered. So, I suppose he is 'teaching', but isn't that what life consists of? We learn from many others, in many ways.

There's nothing you can tell me that I don't already know.

If you can't step back, BK, and see what is VERY wrong about this sentence, I suggest a talk with that pastor you mentioned.

I'm emotional about my faith? I sure am. I don't see that as a negative. I will tell you something though. When I talk to a brother Christian. I get along just fine and we have the same thoughts. I wish I could say that about you, but I can't.

but, as I'm starting to point out, many call themselves Christian, and share much, but hardly 'have the same thoughts' on all aspects. Doesn't necessarily make anyone right or wrong, as man is fallible and imperfect.

callmeslick wrote:

CUDA wrote:

Would a christian pass judgment? It's not your call to do that.

we dont need to judge, we just read the signs. you judge yourself.

Galatians 5:19-24 (New International Version)

19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires

now, this quote is an interesting selection. And, that is one of the beauties of the Bible, and somewhat troubling to some: a vast array of somewhat conflicted messages arise from the entire volume. The passage quoted here by CUDA is the cornerstone of the Calvinist branch of Protestantism. In effect, it suggests that the good works of a man are the manifestation of his Godliness, and then they take it one step further(here, again referring to Calvanists, Presbytarians(sp?),Congregationalists) and believe that Godliness is pre-ordained. In other words, at birth, God has determined the good or evil in a person. I never quite understood how folks could accept such, but that is the theological theory.

yes but 1 John 2:22 blows the Calvanist theory of having to be being chosen to get into heaven away,

the ( ) part is my emphasis

and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins;(atoning sacrafice) and not for ours only,(the chosen or Calvanists) but also for those of the whole world.(the Non-believers)

As a reminder, I'll explain Sunday and how Hell came about.