A Complete Waste of Space

Children should be afforded a certain amount of privacy. How ever they have no RIGHT to said privacy. Anyone who gives a minor child complete unfettered privacy, is a fool. To quote a former President.
"Trust but verify"
You give your child earned privacy built out of trust, and once that trust is violated then they loose that measure of freedom. If you teach your child properly then your problems will be less. However always be alert. Sticking your head in the sand and hoping there isnt a problem is ignorant.

I see that you do have an opinion on this Slick
What's your solution?

More than 40% of my career was "spent" on problems like this one....

No one solution works for all of them.

Mark me down fer a "man crush" on Rugg and Cuda....

Wait for page 4 fer the reacharound.

Nic

nicolas10 wrote:Wait for page 4 fer the reacharound.

Nic

Seems like it "came" prematurely......

CUDA wrote:I'll tell you gentlemen. I raise 8 teenagers. 4 boy / 4 girls. if you wait till they reach the teenage stage before you get them under control you've already lost the battle. get them to understand and obey the rules by age 6-7 and then you've got a chance. and any parent that thinks they need to be their child's friend is an Idiot, you are their parent not their friend you CANNOT be both.

there are two major tenants in raising a family.

1. Fathers do not provoke your children to anger
2. teach your children to obey their parents

the Father in the Vid failed on both accounts,
1. his Daughter was disobedient and disrespectful to her parents
2. he compounded his problem by intentionally provoking his daughter by shooting her laptop then then posting it to embarrass her.

and children under your roof have no "right" to privacy, they should be afforded a certain degree of freedom, but if you give your children a blind trust to do what they wish to do you are a fool.

Agree in the main with Cuda here. My 2 kids have a lot of freedom that they have earned. Our rules are you need to be responsible firsts then we give you more "freedoms".

Case in point, I can, if I wanted to, see anything they post from their laptops or PC's in our house, however I don't snoop on them because just like parents moan about their kids, kids moan about their parents. I removed my VPN software from their stuff when I saw they were being responsible and net savvy and this was a while back.

Secondly, kids nowadays see any privacy invasion as a challenge, a bit like we did before the net. As a teen the worst thing my folks could say to me was "don't" because I'd tend to do it to spite them Nowadays kids will find a way around the wall you put up, so instead of creating walls, talk to your kids and tell them what is expected. Then you need to let them run with it. If they mess up, then it is time for sanctions. Whatever they are I'm sure they don't include posting it all over the net.

Privacy is a bugbear for me, I allow my kids a lot of it. So far it has not caused any issues, they know they can come to me or the missus if they need to, and have never done anything that would make us worry. Despite their peers having different types of parents and a lot of crap going down in their families, we have had nothing apart from the usual teen stuff.

The last thing I would do is tell someone else how to raise their kids, but the guy in the vid had failed in my opinion and Cuda points this out far better than me. So I won't email or post on the guys link, it's his problem not mine.

That's a very reasonable and mature post Soapy....Congrats to you and yours. +1

Pudfark wrote:I see that you do have an opinion on this Slick
What's your solution?

More than 40% of my career was "spent" on problems like this one....

No one solution works for all of them.

solutions are nebulous in a case like this. I would suspect, for reasons better laid out by CUDA and others, that the respect for this parent was lost a while ago, as was the opportunity to get this girl to work reasonably within a framework that allows for mutual respect and (I hate using this word) obedience.
My solution would never be shooting up the laptop for the reasons given. All it does is make the father appear to be an asshole(hardly an illusion, any 'adult' who behaves like this guy did IS an asshole), kills any chance of respect for the forseeable future and makes things worse.
How, Pud, was 40% of your career 'spent' on such matters? Care to elaborate?
All in all, I tended towards Soapy's approach, which seems a bit less pressured on younger children than CUDA's, but there again, I am trying to interpret nuance from words. Both get the essential point about starting early, and allowing freedoms to be earned. I would disagree with CUDA insofar as all minors have SOME right to privacy, even outside the purview of the parents, although those areas are very limited. And, one other point that hasn't been mentioned: Respect, parental or otherwise, is not a given thing, it is earned. And, while earning respect is a result of day after day efforts, one stupid act(like the one cited at the outset of this thread) can destroy a ton of earnings. I think it was Dag Hammerschold(spelling) who said, "he only justifies respect who every day earns it".
Children disrespecting parents to a minor degree is routine, but beyond that, it strikes me that you are on a two-way street.
I am reminded of an old story my dad has always recounted, about an adult son speaking to his elderly father. The son notes how proud he is of his dad, as he continued to learn through life. Says the son, "when I was 16 years old, you were one of the dumbest people I knew, and now, thirty years later, you are among the smartest". That is how I hope my daughter sees me as she ages and matures.........at least she knows at 23 years old that I am not the sort of consummate dickhead who thinks waving a gun around is going to prove some sort of superiority or authority to her.

I have only ONE critisism.
A Remington model 1100 in 12 gauge with OO Buck would
have made more sense.
That .45 lacked the balls to make mincemeat out of the thing.

Fuck them Dr. Spock refugees, spank the kid and vaporise the offending toy.

Loved the video!

HH

thanks for validating my point.