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Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:48 pm
by nicolas10
Well violence too early won't bring shit, but justification for the government to bring a police state.

The window of opportunity will be small... just have to be ready.

Nic

Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:35 pm
by Pudfark
Nic...I didn't say anything about violence now.....
There are other ways to fight...without violence as a first choice.

I'm saying...Some where between bending over (which you advocated)?
And balling up a fist (which I did not advocate)....yet.
Is a way to go about things....Read some books (None French) for solutions.

I don't believe....because of....a perceived lack of....historically documented....
events in French History....the worlds perception of France in general....that
your country has the moral fiber to overcome your accumulated problems.

What you have written thus far? Only reinforces my opinion.
No country wants France and it's muslim population for any purpose than
an immoral one.

Nic, you can, you could, point your finger right back at me and say the same....
I'd have to look you right in the eye....and say....You are right.
The solution, is the same.
For your country and my country.

The difference?
I've had to "bend" some...as have others.
I just won't ever, bend over.

Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:42 pm
by nicolas10
Pudfark wrote:Nic...I didn't say anything about violence now.....
There are other ways to fight...without violence as a first choice.
Not anymore
I'm saying...Some where between bending over (which you advocated)?
And balling up a fist (which I did not advocate)....yet.
I'm not advocating bending over, as a matter of fact quite the opposite. I want our corrupt politicians to stop bending over in front the the US. If that means partnering with other countries such as China it's fine by me. I'd rather have fair relationship with China than being the vassal of the US any day.
I don't believe....because of....a perceived lack of....historically documented....
events in French History....the worlds perception of France in general....that
your country has the moral fiber to overcome your accumulated problems.
Problems are not accumulated by themselves. Our "elites" have been betraying us for 40 years.
What you have written thus far? Only reinforces my opinion.
No country wants France and it's muslim population for any purpose than
an immoral one.
No clue what you're on about...
Nic, you can, you could, point your finger right back at me and say the same....
I'd have to look you right in the eye....and say....You are right.
The solution, is the same.
For your country and my country.

The difference?
I've had to "bend" some...as have others.
I just won't ever, bend over.
Did you read me? I'm just saying France should STOP bending over. A fair relationship with Iran any day of the week instead of the relationship we have with the US right now.

Nic

Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:02 pm
by Pudfark
Well Nic....when things are so bad in your country?
You are reduced/induced to "partner" with the Iranians?
Your country is indeed a "write off".

Sorry about the "bending over" analogy.
I'm sure the Iranians will be happy with
the new association. Most of their cousins
are there anyway.

I know that you are upset. Who would not be?
I'm just saying....It's better to fall on your own sword,
on your own terms. Than to fall on some else's prick, on
their terms.

Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:10 pm
by Pudfark
Oops...forgot to address this above.

What does the U.S. owe France?

I really don't know the answer to that question.

Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:19 pm
by nicolas10
I'm not saying I want to be allied with Iran, I'm saying we should stop getting allied with people who fuck you at the first opportunity and repeatedly. Period. I never said or even implied we should get Iran's help to fight the US.

I'm saying we should stop considering the US as an ally until the US decide to behave like an ally.

Nic

Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:46 pm
by Pudfark
Nic...I'm asking?
What are we (U.S.) supposed to be doing for you?

Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:31 pm
by nicolas10
How about: not set up fake terrorist attack in the AZF plant when you want Chirac to join in on the second Iraq war. (and destroy the factory besides which will slow down the Ariane space program as a bonus).

Nic

Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:07 pm
by Pudfark
Uh...not sure I get the full meaning of what you are saying?
I don't recall Frances great contribution to the second Gulf War?
Well, other than maybe "sanctioning" it....

Could you send me some links to get me on the page with
the AZF and the Ariane space program stuff.

Re: Nic?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:49 pm
by Barfly
nicolas10 wrote:How about: not set up fake terrorist attack in the AZF plant when you want Chirac to join in on the second Iraq war. (and destroy the factory besides which will slow down the Ariane space program as a bonus).

Nic
Wow, that is either true, or you've been 'played'.... I wonder which is more likely...