A Complete Waste of Space

callmeslick wrote:...that wouldn't move the nation forward in the areas I mention.

Obama's budget proposal, which included his fanciful wish list of 'forward' thinking budget items,didn't get a single vote of approval from your party.

callmeslick wrote:

Barfly wrote:The trajectory you describe is being accelerated by your boy....

in what way? Also, look at his proposals, which have been blocked at every turn, and tell me that wouldn't move the nation forward in the areas I mention.

....and with this, it's off to bed for this retiree.

Who blocked any proposal in Obama's first two years in office?
His own party?
Nobody else could.

Hopefully, you're through yer first cup of coffee..now
Seriously, please consider making a short list of Obama's tangible/verifiable
accomplishments in his first four years. Please include the Bin Laden thing.
I will credit him for the nod on that one.

I was listening to the speeches tonight...."Are you better off now, than you were four years ago?" How? Why? I'm not. I only know of one person who is...and I know a few folks. I'm not trying to set you up. I really am trying to understand the why and how of the way you see/interpret things.

Barfly wrote:

callmeslick wrote:...that wouldn't move the nation forward in the areas I mention.

Obama's budget proposal, which included his fanciful wish list of 'forward' thinking budget items,didn't get a single vote of approval from your party.

check your numbers.....it didn't get passed, but did get significant approval. Still, as I point out, both sides in both problems share blame, and the public agrees from the approval ratings for Congress.

Pud, the whole damn nation is better off than it was 4 years ago, because at that point in time, you very well could have seen ZERO liquidity in the economy.
In other words, had the right things not been done, we could have faced not only 30-40% unemployment, but no access to any credit or cash, except for what you had under the mattress. The nation has Obama to thank for avoiding that mess.
Needless to say, those of us who invest to grow our capital are WAYYYYYY better off. I've seen 200% returns on a lot of 2009 investments.

Just sayin....Your 200 percent return on investments?
Resulted in only bettering yourself, not others?

Just curious? You "condemn" the system and yet you take "advantage" of it?
It seems to me, you have more in common with Romney than Obama.

Not taking any shots at ya...just remarking.

We need to get our people back to work. Obama has not accomplished that.
It doesn't matter the excuse of why he hasn't. Trying to fix a problem is not the
same as getting it fixed. Four more years of political grid lock will bring about the
ruination of our country. We cannot do that to our children. Lawyers have never
fixed anything, they prey on other folks, set the rules, loophole them and they always, get theirs first. We don't need anymore of that. So, give me a businessman,
who knows how to earn, invest, make payroll and a solid future. We need Romney now, not excuses. Y'all had your shot at the "dream", it failed. Time to move forward and onward. Respectfully.

I heard Dennis Miller say the other night...He is all for helping the helpless, to include providing more help than they currently receive. He also stated, that the
"clueless" people, he wasn't interested in doing anything for them. I have to agree
with that totally. How do you feel about his statement?

Have a great day...

Pudfark wrote:Just sayin....Your 200 percent return on investments?
Resulted in only bettering yourself, not others?

well, me and my family, which is cool with me.

Just curious? You "condemn" the system and yet you take "advantage" of it?
It seems to me, you have more in common with Romney than Obama.

Not taking any shots at ya...just remarking.

no offense taken, valid questions and observations, although I've covered them in the past. Yes, Mitt Romney and I have more in common in terms of upbringing than with Obama. So what? A lot of folks I went to school with and grew up with are wrong about the direction of the country like Romney, and I argue with them all the time. Generally in a pleasant fashion, in decent eateries and sporting or yacht clubs and the like. Also, I certainly am always going to take advantage, in a completely legal fashion of the playing field and rules of the game. It's my duty to my family and heirs. Still, the problem I have is that the current rules favor me and my class to an unfair degree that is hurting the long term stability of the nation, IMO.

We need to get our people back to work. Obama has not accomplished that.

who the hell could have in 4 years? You realize, do you not, that getting our people back to any sort of reasonable level of employment will require completely scuttling the economic path the nation has been on for the past 20 years, right? The most important job Obama faced was preventing a complete meltdown, and he did that. He attempted to start laying the groundwork for a reshaped economy by stabilizing healthcare insecurity somewhat, but that was too much of a compormise with idiots, and the same idiots blocked almost every other initiative towards long term economic growth. You see, you are looking at the short term, but it is the long term that is most problematic, really. Romney is emblematic of the WORST of the past 20 years' trends, and is close to the LAST person to help the nation.

I heard Dennis Miller say the other night...He is all for helping the helpless, to include providing more help than they currently receive. He also stated, that the
"clueless" people, he wasn't interested in doing anything for them. I have to agree
with that totally. How do you feel about his statement?

well, all I can say is that the word 'clueless' in the dictionary ought to have Dennis Miller's picture beside the definition, as that poor soul has thought he was funny for 20 years after he stopped being even mildly amusing.

Have a great day...

most all of mine are.

I don't agree.
That ain't unusual.

Health care has nothing to do with our economic recovery. Not now or in the past.
It has nothing to do with the creation or longevity of jobs. Freedom ain't a gift and
neither is health care. Politically, the perceived problem of health care, has it roots
in socialism. What's next, government paid for...property insurance, auto and legal?

To what "extent"? Does the government get to stick its finger up everybodies butt?
All under the guise of "helping the poor". Well, I have feelings about the poor, it starts with charity, not regulation and conformation.

If you were to say (not putting words in your mouth) that Obama has helped the poor, I couldn't disagree with you. However, I would add, he has helped them remain in that condition and he is dragging everybody down to it.

Here is the common sense of things.
Slick, I worked most of my life, doing what "I" chose to do.
The risk, rewards and what "I" chose to do with them, are my responsibility/choice.
I live within my means and have reasonably provided for myself and family. I am no burden to anyone now or in the future.

However, if "I" had made a different choice, like living everyday, as if there were
no tomorrow, irresponsibly and without regard for others? I am "entitled" to be taken care of by the government. So, you and others say? This where the "common sense" departs.

You have the appearance of knowing history? Where in recorded history?
Has any society existed, for any reasonable period of time with the "entitlements" that you advocate? With the unemployment and debt that "we" have? That didn't fail?

I believe that most folks understand the term "providing for yourself".
They understand, it's obligatory.
Where we differ?
Is...where you seem to believe that providing for others is mandatory, for yourself
a luxury and it's obligatory for others to conform to it. Well, ok...but? I ain't paying for it...

Old Pudfark sez: " There's a hard days work, a good nights sleep and hopefully a dream. In that order. "

Pudfark wrote:I don't agree.
That ain't unusual.

Health care has nothing to do with our economic recovery. Not now or in the past.
It has nothing to do with the creation or longevity of jobs. Freedom ain't a gift and
neither is health care. Politically, the perceived problem of health care, has it roots
in socialism. What's next, government paid for...property insurance, auto and legal?

sorry Pud to let reality intrude, but the unpredictable nature of healthcare insurance costs are the largest single thing holding back large American employers.
Go to any major corporate stockholders meeting and ask around, that will be confirmed. It makes our employers less competetive with their worldwide competition. Further, it screws with employment at the level of individual employees. They get locked into certain employment and sometimes lack of insurance for their families is what keeps some bright folks from gambling on an entrepreneureal idea.

To what "extent"? Does the government get to stick its finger up everybodies butt?
All under the guise of "helping the poor". Well, I have feelings about the poor, it starts with charity, not regulation and conformation.

this isn't about the poor, however. It is about people in the middle getting sent into poverty if they are not able to get or afford coverage. It's about preventing more 'poor' people.

You have the appearance of knowing history? Where in recorded history?
Has any society existed, for any reasonable period of time with the "entitlements" that you advocate? With the unemployment and debt that "we" have? That didn't fail?

hell, you can go through history and say that huge amounts of what modern society does have not existed for any length of time. That is called progress.
Nothing I propose or that Obama has suggested is beyond the capacity of the American society to afford.

I believe that most folks understand the term "providing for yourself".
They understand, it's obligatory.
Where we differ?
Is...where you seem to believe that providing for others is mandatory, for yourself
a luxury and it's obligatory for others to conform to it. Well, ok...but? I ain't paying for it...

this nation was established, and has grown, as a SOCIETY, not a bunch of individuals. It is a collective of people in which individuals have a great deal of personal freedom. A tricky balance, to be sure, but at no time has our nation done well with the type of self-centered ideas you seem to espouse and the likes of which were spouted this week by many GOP presenters. Heaven help us all if that vision of America prevails, because we will accelerate this march into being a nation of a handful of wealthy people amongst a sea of paupers.

Old Pudfark sez: " There's a hard days work, a good nights sleep and hopefully a dream. In that order. "

old 'Slick says, "let's hope your dream never becomes reality, because it is, in fact, a nightmare"

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Old Pudfark sez: " There's a hard days work, a good nights sleep and hopefully a dream. In that order. "


old 'Slick says, "let's hope your dream never becomes reality, because it is, in fact, a nightmare"

Old Pudfark sez: " That "nightmare"...is the foundation laid by our forefathers, our constitution, our bill of rights, our heritage and our legacy for our children...Why folks who have never fought or served think...that others won't fight to keep it that way? Is a gross misjudgment on their part. "

Off the mow the yard

Pudfark wrote:Old Pudfark sez: " That "nightmare"...is the foundation laid by our forefathers, our constitution, our bill of rights, our heritage and our legacy for our children...Why folks who have never fought or served think...that others won't fight to keep it that way? Is a gross misjudgment on their part. "

Off the mow the yard

that was not the foundation laid by the things you mentioned. That was the foundation for a SOCIETY of care for all(well, except for women and black people at the outset). Ponder that notion as opposed to 'every man for himself' while mowing the grass.