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Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:55 pm
by callmeslick
Buzz wrote:Armed camp?? You sure dramatize everything.
what do you describe a school full of armed educators? A church picnic?(ok, maybe in some Southern Baptist chuches....)
You want to teach kids? Teach them reality. Don't hide the world as it is from them.
I want to teach kids stuff like math, reading, history, science, and the arts. I don't need to teach them your version of 'reality', because the reality is that such violent episodes are relatively quite rare....
sorry, Buzz, but no, you don't expose, if at all possible, little kids to harsh realities in that fashion. Evidence has long shown that weapons generally frighten small children, as does talk of violence. Couple that with the core mission of an elementary school: to nurture the young person into enjoying going to school and enjoying the process of learning. Frightened people don't much enjoy that fright, thus, small children in an armed elementary school will prove reluctant to embrace learning. I'm very, very certain that will be shown to be the case a few years down the line, because I'm equally certain that at least some districts will embrace the exact stupidity you argue for. Of course, for the kids involved, it will be too late, and we'll have another small bunch of undereducated, neurotic adults for society to deal with.
Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:56 pm
by Buzz
I'll give you a choice slick. You have to pick one.
1st choice.....You child is in school, and a loony comes in with the intention of shooting your child, and as many other children as he can. The teacher stops him, because he's armed.
2nd choice......The same loony comes into the room, and kills your child along with other children. He also kills the teacher. Then he kills himself.
Do you want the bad guy dead, or everybody? What's your choice?
Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:59 pm
by Buzz
callmeslick wrote:Buzz wrote:Armed camp?? You sure dramatize everything.
what do you describe a school full of armed educators? A church picnic?(ok, maybe in some Southern Baptist chuches....)
You want to teach kids? Teach them reality. Don't hide the world as it is from them.
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sorry, Buzz, but no, you don't expose, if at all possible, little kids to harsh realities in that fashion. Evidence has long shown that weapons generally frighten small children, as does talk of violence. Couple that with the core mission of an elementary school: to nurture the young person into enjoying going to school and enjoying the process of learning. Frightened people don't much enjoy that fright, thus, small children in an armed elementary school will prove reluctant to embrace learning. I'm very, very certain that will be shown to be the case a few years down the line, because I'm equally certain that at least some districts will embrace the exact stupidity you argue for. Of course, for the kids involved, it will be too late, and we'll have another small bunch of undereducated, neurotic adults for society to deal with.[/quote]
Ever stop to think the kids might be more frightened now with no protection? You give kids too little credit for adjusting to situations. Knowing the teachers are there to protect them might be more peaceful for them.
Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:03 pm
by callmeslick
I'll give you this much, Buzz.....you like to set up your own scenarios. Try this on for size: Choose between--1) your kid(or in my case now grandchildren) attending a school with armed teachers EVERY FUCKING DAY or 2)taking the chance that my grandkids school will be the target of a random madman, an event which seems to occur roughly once every three years,out of around 10,000 elementary schools. Sorry, I'll take option #2, and work like hell to get the odds down even further.....
oh, and Buzz, regarding your massive 'quote-fail' above, I can figure out your point. There are, apparently, a LOT of studies around that kind of stuff in professional journals that seemingly disprove your hoped-for outcome. Under the age of 10, kids don't reason out in a fashion which equates weaponry with safety.
Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:10 pm
by Pudfark
callmeslick wrote:Pudfark wrote:Slick...
On your #1...Reagan had nothing to do with the proliferation of mental cases and or their treatment. This has been an ongoing problem since recorded history. The folks in Salem had a solution...back in the day.
if you believe this, YOU need mental help. Reagan, and to be fair, he did this out of sympathy for a very dubious warehousing approach in many states, mandated the release of a lot of long-term pscyhiatric patients, and the closing of a lot of the State Hospitals in the US. Look it up.
Please to explain to me the "harm" being applied to Israeli children?
I know you don't like the "idea" of it. How many Israeli children vs U.S.
children have been harmed/attacked, murdered?
quit comparing an active hostility zone to suburban America. Apples to oranges.
"Armed like a war zone" or "defenseless likes the Jews in WWII and beholding to everyone armed, including the government"... I'll be the first to admit that I have
"Trust Issues" with the above. Hell, "our" government couldn't protect four of our citizens..then they lied about it, covered it up for their personal gain. Knowing that,
you want me to agree to put kids at risk? No way.
huh? You expect me to attempt to make sense of this?
Read some history Slick.
Israeli kids are arguably the best protected in the world.
The "Federal Government" under "NO ONE" can close State Hospitals.
Yes, Slick, I expect you to make sense of this.....unless, the "real plan" is to disarm
everybody...under the guise of "protecting children"...in order to "FORCE" your plan of future social engineering upon us.
Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:10 pm
by Buzz
So, you couldn't choose, and side slipped again?
Why am I not surprised?
I'm calling bullshit slick.
Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:14 pm
by callmeslick
Pudfark wrote:Read some history Slick.
Israeli kids are arguably the best protected in the world.
GEEZUS FUCKING CRAP! We aren't Israel, and hopefully never will be. Stop comparing the US with an active warzone. Our problem is random madmen, not coordinated terrorist attacks by a massive number of aggrieved, displaced persons.
The "Federal Government" under "NO ONE" can close State Hospitals.
sorry, but they can, because they were supporting their operation with federal money.
Yes, Slick, I expect you to make sense of this.....unless, the "real plan" is to disarm
everybody...under the guise of "protecting children"...in order to "FORCE" your plan of future social engineering upon us.
you probably saw my response to Buzz, above. My ideal plan, if you note, disarms no one. Likewise, Obamas plan disarms NO ONE. Your suggestion is mere paranoia, for which there is help available, albeit too little and too costly.
Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:22 pm
by Pudfark
callmeslick wrote:Pudfark wrote:Read some history Slick.
Israeli kids are arguably the best protected in the world.
GEEZUS FUCKING CRAP! We aren't Israel, and hopefully never will be. Stop comparing the US with an active warzone. Our problem is random madmen, not coordinated terrorist attacks by a massive number of aggrieved, displaced persons.
Yeah, the problem is "mad men"...not "suicide terrorists"...however, what is indisputable? If ya can stop them terrorists...mad men ain't no problem.
The "Federal Government" under "NO ONE" can close State Hospitals.
sorry, but they can, because they were supporting their operation with federal money.
Which is the number one reason the Fed's shouldn't interfere with "States Rights"...So, please show me one state hospital here in Texas..that the Reagan closed.
Yes, Slick, I expect you to make sense of this.....unless, the "real plan" is to disarm
everybody...under the guise of "protecting children"...in order to "FORCE" your plan of future social engineering upon us.
you probably saw my response to Buzz, above. My ideal plan, if you note, disarms no one. Likewise, Obamas plan disarms NO ONE. Your suggestion is mere paranoia, for which there is help available, albeit too little and too costly.
This tickles me actually...So, you're saying there will be no change in Gun Laws and every qualified person will have full and total access to the weapons available now?
Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:24 pm
by callmeslick
Buzz wrote:So, you couldn't choose, and side slipped again?
no, it was a bogus choice and assumed that a one-in-thirty thousand chance was GOING to happen.
I'm calling bullshit slick.
I was going to call your 'choice' that exact thing, but decided to be more polite and point out the error involved in your example. Can't you see it? Or, do you not wish to see it?
Re: Finally.......A Sensible Answer To The Problem
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:26 pm
by Pudfark
What surprises me Slick is your hate of Israel?
What's wrong with those people?
You say they live in an "active war zone"..I agree.
Why don't you support them and solve the problem,
instead of the hate you manifest here...against them.
The Israeli's were given their country...the right or wrong of that?
Is history. I am their ally. Are you?