Student Debt vs Graduate Jobs

[Buzz]

I was posting to Pud, but how is a loan a handout if it's paid back?

[Barfly]

I was posting to Pud, but how is a loan a handout if it's paid back?

Much less of them will be paid back when standards are lowered. Exactly like the problem caused by forcing banks to lower standards for home loans.

[Pudfark]

What is the value of a government "loan", if there exists no way to pay it back.
The taxpayers have to pay it back.

The key word is it's a loan.
Not a grant or scholarship..those are gifts.

Not every person is educable.
Just look at Canada.

[Pudfark]

I was posting to Pud, but how is a loan a handout if it's paid back?

Much less of them will be paid back when standards are lowered. Exactly like the problem caused by forcing banks to lower standards for home loans.

Exactly.

[Buzz]

I was posting to Pud, but how is a loan a handout if it's paid back?

Much less of them will be paid back when standards are lowered. Exactly like the problem caused by forcing banks to lower standards for home loans.

I don't agree with lowering the standards, but Pud wants to just axe the program. What about the kids who get the loans, graduate, get jobs, and pay back the loans. Do want to take that away?

[callmeslick]

life is long, education is forever. Anyone, I repeat, ANYONE who advocates that getting a college education is wrong is delusional.

Well, you'd be an example of it. You fail to acknowledge the "financial responsibility" involved. If a person can reasonably pay the bill, they should go. If they can't, they shouldn't. If they take yer advice? You should pay for it, I don't mind.

given that a college degree, on average, adds $14,000 of annual income over the life of the average graduate, the odds are with affordability, wouldn't you say?

So.....what percentage of the folks digging and laying the pipe for the Keystone Job should be educated? Should the dude at "BurgerDouche" have a 401K and a University level education in Advanced Burger Flipp'n?

well, let's just say the person who wrote these questions shows what a LACK of education gets one. Also, yes, the Burger King employees ought to have 401Ks. Every working person should. What that has to do with education....oooops! I forgot who wrote this for a second.

Maybe, I'd agree with ya....If folks were being educated, traditionally.

what the fuck does that mean? Say, in one-room schools, or reading by candlelight. Learning is done in many diverse ways. Education is a broad matter,
and nothing about the US higher ed system must be all that much lacking. It might be the most sought-after US product worldwide.

They aren't and it's a tell. I don't owe anybody an education beyond what I currently pay in taxes. Certainly not, an education exceeding HS standards.

society, not you, is the determinent. And, an educated society is a healthy society. You demonstrate the limits on an individual if a high school standard is the topend goal.

You'd have a better argument, if you accepted sole financial responsibility for your theory. You and Yours don't do that because logically, especially at this juncture, it's a certain fail. So fix the economy, add a bunch of jobs and then I'd be hard pressed to disagree with ya.

what you don't seem to get is that the finances of our society improve with more people of higher educational achievement. Right now, in many fields(the one I am trained in, for instance)we have to bring in foreign workers simply because not enough US born Biochemists are graduating soon enough. If there were, there would be more people making $50,000 or more per year rather than half that, and the burden on society and the social safety net would be lessened. It's a win-win, and you refuse to accept it.

[Pudfark]

Blather...blather and more blather, Slick.
If what you say is true?
Prove it over the last four years.

Standing by....

If anybody wants to know the why of the 2000 plus pages in Obamie Care?
Just read Slick...whose sole strategy is to "word" ya to death, boredom or distraction.
Hell...it gives ya gas...then all ya wanna do is "pass it"...

[callmeslick]

Blather...blather and more blather, Slick.
If what you say is true?
Prove it over the last four years.

showing your lack of both education and understanding, I guess it eludes you how looking at a bad, short stretch of an evolving economy doesn't relate to a statistic that states 'over a career lifetime'. Sadly, that's your shortcoming.....I merely don't wish to see any more have to share that with you than is necessary.

[Pudfark]

So....how does a seriously indebted collage/college graduate get a job with Obama in office? Theres tens of thousands that would like to know that.

Here's a quickie question for ya?

What's the difference between an unemployed college graduate and an unemployed
GED/HS graduate?

[Pudfark]

Hint: it's a four letter word.