OH-bamaCare

[Barfly]

Of course you are not.. The time for the sales pitch is over; what you've stated has nothing to do with what is happening and will happen wth further implementation of this "act". Burden of proof is on you.

you are aware that I am advocating here for single payer, right?

It doesn't make any difference how you describe complete government control of healthcare.

[callmeslick]

it isn't complete control, it is simply centralized insurance by one payer. Just as Medicare does with seniors, applied to the whole population. You have yet to defend your rejection of such with any convincing argument. The current mess(Obamacare included) costs more, provides patchy coverage, rations care by the fiat of insurance beancounters, leaves individual citizens on the hook for massive amounts of money, and subjects larger employers to a complete financial crapshoot. Why not look into something different?

[Barfly]

it isn't complete control, it is simply centralized insurance by one payer. Just as Medicare does with seniors, applied to the whole population. You have yet to defend your rejection of such with any convincing argument. The current mess(Obamacare included) costs more, provides patchy coverage, rations care by the fiat of insurance beancounters, leaves individual citizens on the hook for massive amounts of money, and subjects larger employers to a complete financial crapshoot. Why not look into something different?

You have not provided any evidence that your proposition will work. Doing it as an experiment to see if it works is not an option. And I am not doing your homework for you.

[callmeslick]

when about 23 other nations do it, and get better, cheaper overall healthcare, it isn't an 'experiment' anymore.

[Barfly]

Still no evidence. Note, your UN sponsored data has already been discredited, if you wish to dredge up government sponsored self-critiques again.

[callmeslick]

WHO stats don't lie. Budget figures and US Insurance figures dont lie. You bring exactly ZERO to the table to justify the status quo, and ask me to justify a system the rest of the world(as per the example of Fatman on these pages) accept as basic common sense policy.

[Pudfark]

WHO stats don't lie. Budget figures and US Insurance figures dont lie. You bring exactly ZERO to the table to justify the status quo, and ask me to justify a system the rest of the world(as per the example of Fatman on these pages) accept as basic common sense policy.

http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/ne ... umors.html

http://empireofthecitycom.blogspot.com/ ... -lies.html

http://nuclear-news.net/2013/03/30/phys ... radiation/

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=10258

[Barfly]

You still haven't justified anything with facts. We've been theough this before. Fatman demonstrated how bad the English system is compared to the US'.

[fatman]

I think this says a hell of a lot quiet a few countries with universal health care above you guys and yes i do know its not just based on health care there are other factors but really its the lions share of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... expectancy

[callmeslick]

You still haven't justified anything with facts. We've been theough this before. Fatman demonstrated how bad the English system is compared to the US'.

he did? When? Fatty has been sayling for years that Americans are collective loons for not going to Universal care.......