The King James Bible

[callmeslick]

Here is why I won't........This particular subject is about feelings, beliefs and interpretations...and to that end, there is no right or wrong.....just opinions....and again, none are right or wrong.....

isn't much of life that way? Really, when you think about it, it is. Still, sometimes, batting around different points of view shouldn't threaten anyone, and can enlighten all.

[Buzz]

I was talking about the Bible, but I guess you knew that. Didn't you?[/quote]

I knew that. Which is why I found the statement to be sort of astounding. Doesn't the New Testament suggest that Jesus sought out those least likely to be accepted as Godly, or worthy of Him? Why would a follower dismiss the chance for insight beyond his own from anyone else. Not to say you have to accept it, but to claim you know all there is to know, is sort of to suggest that you are light-years ahead of most Biblical scholars, or most Ministers or Priests which I've ever encountered.[/quote]


Your slipping Slick. I didn't say I know all there is to know. I made a point of saying that Ruggs couldn't teach me anything. Go back and read.

I also made a point in saying he couldn't teach me if he doesn't believe the Bible himself. I'll use the 6 days comment he has as an example. You believe it all, or nothing. You can't pick and choose what sounds good to you.

[Pudfark]

Folks searching for faith....can be swayed...Folks who have faith can be enlightened.... I hope that all who continue to contribute to this thread, bare civility and respect for each other as they do their own personal beliefs....That my friends is my final post in this thread....Please enjoy your lively discussion........

[ruggbutt]

Going to bed now, gotta be up at Oh Dark Thirty for work tomorrow. I'll explain hell real quick. First it's best if you can read some hebrew, or can find some of this stuff translated for you by a reputable source. I read a little bit, at least I used to. It's been a while. The hebrew word that was translated as "hell" is the word sheoul (spelling?). That word means grave. Basically when you die you lie in your grave until the messiah returns.

As for the "I don't believe what I'm writing" that's not true either. Science can prove events that happened thousands of years ago. To think the earth is only 6000 years old is preposterous. But that doesn't mean that science can't be used to prove some of the stuff mentioned in the bible. Saw a show on the History Channel the other day. They've proven that there was an event in the areas where Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and they've proven it was brimstone. Scientists say it was expulsion released when a meteorite hit the earth. They've gone to that area of the world and there was one city that was saved while 4 others were destroyed. At this hour I don't recall the name but scientists know where that city lies. They can tell from the spall of the meteorite where approximately where the cities were.

The point is that the Creator has given us everything we have. He gave us physics as a set of rules how objects work in the universe. He gave us knowledge that eventually got us where men can leave the earth and orbit it. Everything we have came from him. And the knowledge that we have came from him as well. Anyone wonder why cro-magnum man never was able to do that? Cuz he didn't give them what he gave us. To say I believe then turn your back on the science that proves many of the things that occurred is narrow minded.

I don't believe? To the contrary. Science shows us cold hard facts that back up what otherwise would just be a bunch of stories written by scared men who were superstitious. I give mankind a bit more credit than some do. Because we were given knowledge and right of choice by Yahweh.

[Buzz]

A much better post Ruggs.

I'm going to bed too.

[CUDA]

The hebrew word that was translated as "hell" is the word sheoul (spelling?). That word means grave. Basically when you die you lie in your grave until the messiah returns.

uhm thats not entirely correct. the word "Sheol" has several meanings in the old hebrew. only one of them means "Grave". the other definitions are "Pit", "Abyss", "Underworld", or "Hell"

Sheol (pronounced "Sheh-ol"), in Hebrew שְׁאוֹל (She'ol), is the "grave", or "pit" or "abyss".

Sheol
In Hebrew, ²² Sheol (שאול, Sh'ol) is the "abode of the dead", the "underworld", "the common grave of humankind" or "pit". In the Hebrew Bible, it is a place beneath the earth, beyond gates, where both the bad and the good, slave and king, pious and wicked must go at the point of death. Sheol is the common destination of both the righteous and the unrighteous dead, as recounted in Ecclesiastes and Job.

Sheol
The Hebrew term refers on one level to the depths of the earth, literally, since it was where the dead were buried. On another level, it was the dwelling place of the dead (see “shades”), who experienced a state of being considerably less than earthly life but not nothingness. Sheol was not the exclusive abode of the righteous or the wicked, but of everyone, and it is often used as a synonym for death

Science shows us cold hard facts that back up what otherwise would just be a bunch of stories written by scared men who were superstitious. I give mankind a bit more credit than some do. Because we were given knowledge and right of choice by Yahweh.

Obviously you have a somekind of belief or at least an rudimentary understanding of Yahweh. that being said

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

it would seem to me that your explaination of the Bible being written by a bunch of scared superstitious men does not agree with your follow-up statement of how the knowledge was given by God to man and how or why the Bible says it was written.

[Reservoir_Dog]

Anyone wonder why cro-magnum man never was able to do that? Cuz he didn't give them what he gave us.

That is either:

1- The most sublime joke I have ever read (if it was on purpose)

or

2- The stupidest thing I have ever read

or

3- The most sublimely stupidest thing I have ever read

[HappyHappy]

We are Cro-Magnon. We also are likely a mix of many early human groups such as Neanderthals and others.
We are a member of the primate family tree on the same branch as our nearest relitives the Bonobo Chimpanzees
and other members of the "Great Apes".

We, the decendants of the Cromagnon and Neanderthal have done well, created and destroyed in impressive ways.
We also imagine there is a supreme being we call God.

We are the end product of 4.5 billion years of evolution.

HH

[Buzz]

How do we get from a slimey thingy from the swamp to a mammal, and why did it stop? Why don't apes turn into humans now? Where are examples of the inbetween stages?

[ruggbutt]

The quick and dirty response is "easy". Halil (Satan, God's wife) made the dinosaurs, cro-mags, etc and basically became proud and said "I can do what you do". God stepped in and "fixed" things. Hence, humans.

I know I need to get more into detail with some of this but work is kicking my ass. The boss isn't supposed to be working as hard as his employees. I'm not complaining though, I'm blessed. I work today that will take us a month to get done. And halfway thru I'll be hit with more new starts so it's looking like I'll be plenty busy. And tired.