Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

[callmeslick]

Pud, what are your solutions? In fact, what the fuck are you trying to say?

[Pudfark]

It seems you like you lack the cognitive ability to comprehend a simple question or few....
You have proposed nothing as usual.
It is quite apparent that you shun responsibility..that would seem to make you a perfect politician.
It is obvious you don't give a damn about the problem or the people affected.

Ain't my job to make you care.....Now, I know you don't.

Old Pudfark sez: " let the games resume.... "

[Pudfark]

This is what I have said:

Buzz, I used to "commit" folks all the time, involuntarily...by, that, I mean the mentally ill.
It was call an EMHO...Emergency Mental Health Order....
All you had to do? Swear to and briefly state what actions the "patient/person" did, that was
a danger to their self or another....

I see your point...it is correct...changes need to be made to the laws first, then procedures and funding...
This is the only way to "regulate" care for the mentally ill.
Once the process of identifying these persons has begun?
Common sense would dictate a national data base to I.D. them.
Integrate that with the NCIC data base and State data bases?
You can then regulate licenses and permissions to the identified
persons with mental health issues.

Had that system been in place and people educated to use it?
The tragedy in Arizona might well have been averted.
No system is perfect.
Not to have any system for something like this is?
Damn near criminal in my opinion....
My opinion in this regard is professional and based upon my experiences.

Anybody got a better idea? I'm all "ears".

[Pudfark]

Further:

I have refrained from posting further on this thread on purpose....
I was curious to see? What the comments would be....

Slick seemed to grasp the meaning immediately...but, he didn't pursue it....(I had hoped he would)
Ruggie responded to Slick's comment about it...but, he didn't pursue it....(I had hoped that he would)

No Politician has addressed the "root problem"...and it seems likely they won't.

The problem is Mental Health.
1. How to identify those with that issue.
2. How to treat them, involuntarily.
3. How to pay for it, who?

The tragedy in Arizona and others else where, have all occurred because?
All of the State's governments have refused to address these issues.

When I retired from Law Enforcement, Harris County Tx, population 5 million plus,
had less than 100 beds available for indigent mentally ill patients. Every bed was
full, 24-7. The overflow? Given a shot of Thorazine, a prescription and shoved
out the door. A never ending repetitive cycle day after day. That was seven years
ago and it still has not changed.

So, here is some common sense for all.
The path to fewer tragedies lies in treating the mentally ill, not regulating the sane.

It is that simple.

[Buzz]

You guys fight funny.

Long quotes, and nobody understands anything.

[callmeslick]

It seems you like you lack the cognitive ability to comprehend a simple question or few....
You have proposed nothing as usual.
It is quite apparent that you shun responsibility..that would seem to make you a perfect politician.
It is obvious you don't give a damn about the problem or the people affected.

Ain't my job to make you care.....Now, I know you don't.

Old Pudfark sez: " let the games resume.... "

geezus, you are a fool. I could post about a thousand pages of submitted writings and data to back it up which I've presented to folks(thankfully) better able to grasp the language than you, but a short synopsis:

1. At the initial sign of psychosis, commence intensive treatment inpatient(in a hospital). That treatment should last a minimum of 90 days.
2. All medical insurance plans should have it mandated that the above be covered.
3. Make it possible to commit an affected individual to treatment at the first significant sign of psychosis,
NOT waiting until 'imminent danger to self or others' threshold is reached.
4. Allow for adequate public resources for treatment of individuals and do not criminalize for more minor
manifestations such as drug abuse, or minor disruptive behavior. In other words, liberalize the grounds for
a legal committment to treatment, but lessen the tendency to incarcerate. At the present time, for instance,
the LA County Jail has more resident mentally ill people than any mental health facility in the nation. That is wrong, and merely perpetuates the problem
5. Make everyone, at every level in the public and government, understand that psychotic illnesses are both
treatable and manageable, when handled properly and intervened with at an early stage. Most of what we do now merely prevents treatment and prolongs the process until the consequences are dire. What you end up with is an expensive end result(cost of incarceration, treatment of unnecessary violence victims, etc) that does nothing to make for a better outcome.

Obviously(or at least, it should be) the details are much more than the simple outline above.

[Pudfark]

Throw yer two cents on the table...along with a solution....Buzz......

[Reservoir_Dog]

You guys fight funny.

Long quotes, and nobody understands anything.

[Pudfark]

It seems you like you lack the cognitive ability to comprehend a simple question or few....
You have proposed nothing as usual.
It is quite apparent that you shun responsibility..that would seem to make you a perfect politician.
It is obvious you don't give a damn about the problem or the people affected.

Ain't my job to make you care.....Now, I know you don't.

Old Pudfark sez: " let the games resume.... "

geezus, you are a fool. I could post about a thousand pages of submitted writings and data to back it up which I've presented to folks(thankfully) better able to grasp the language than you, but a short synopsis:

1. At the initial sign of psychosis, commence intensive treatment inpatient(in a hospital). That treatment should last a minimum of 90 days.
2. All medical insurance plans should have it mandated that the above be covered.
3. Make it possible to commit an affected individual to treatment at the first significant sign of psychosis,
NOT waiting until 'imminent danger to self or others' threshold is reached.
4. Allow for adequate public resources for treatment of individuals and do not criminalize for more minor
manifestations such as drug abuse, or minor disruptive behavior. In other words, liberalize the grounds for
a legal committment to treatment, but lessen the tendency to incarcerate. At the present time, for instance,
the LA County Jail has more resident mentally ill people than any mental health facility in the nation. That is wrong, and merely perpetuates the problem
5. Make everyone, at every level in the public and government, understand that psychotic illnesses are both
treatable and manageable, when handled properly and intervened with at an early stage. Most of what we do now merely prevents treatment and prolongs the process until the consequences are dire. What you end up with is an expensive end result(cost of incarceration, treatment of unnecessary violence victims, etc) that does nothing to make for a better outcome.

Obviously(or at least, it should be) the details are much more than the simple outline above.

See, it ain't that hard.....to throw something out on the table and not make it political.....Thank You for the effort.
I will respond in kind in a few minutes...(sincere manner)

Old Pudfark sez: " Game off "

[Buzz]

Throw yer two cents on the table...along with a solution....Buzz......

I thought I did.

Arm everybody with balls, and shoot the bastard.

Harsh, but effective.