A Complete Waste of Space

callmeslick wrote:Buzz, my dad served as well......developing fire suppressent chemicals

you may like this then..certainly looks like one of the operators is having fun

who gets the cee-gar for guessing the poor fire training victim in last photo?

Daii stated: "nice crack about the Nowotnys, nevermind what the record would look like if germans had the luxury of rotating pilots, or if the US didn't....but i bet you wouldnt want to go there, cuz you wouldnt have too much to "rah-rah US number 1!" over that"

Not a crack about Nowatny...historical fact...and provable...The germans started the war, with every luxury in mind and every advantage....U.S. was #1 back then, again, a historical fact. This country does not have a history of mediocrity, though it is fast acquiring one now....I'm sure, in the next twenty years....I'm gonna feel like a Canadian.

Daii- Great pics Dude, you are a posting machine today!!

My dad has some funny stories around that whole thing. Short and sweet: he was an engineering student at UVA and due to nationwide war effort, got put on a fast track and got a degree in 3 years. Went to work in DC, got made an Ensign in the Navy overnight, essentially. The job consisted of concocting stuff in the labs and then going out on fire tugs into the Potomac and trying to put out fires on flaming barges. Some of the stuff was completely counterproductive and produced even more massive blazes. Eventually, they got the stuff down right, it went off to the Pacific Fleet and prevented airplane fuel fires from completely disabling carriers at sea(a big problem in the day, we didn't have all that many and they were crucial against Japan).

Bottom line, if you really are compelled to go to war(and more often than not, you aren't, IMO), that was the way to do it, a nationwide effort from every citizen, at every level of society. And, sacrifice by all. Look back at the shortcomings from Vietnam to present and that level of cohesiveness might be high on the list of reasons why we have tended to fall short of victory.

DP stupidity.

Daiichidoku wrote:Buzz- the germans NEVER complained they were beat by superior eq, they fully realise they were beat (for the most part) by logistics and bad management, if you were to grossly oversimplify it.

Really? I don't have to look too far to prove you're wrong.

Read Juha's post in this thread. I've been reading comments like those for years.

Buzz wrote:

Daiichidoku wrote:Buzz- the germans NEVER complained they were beat by superior eq, they fully realise they were beat (for the most part) by logistics and bad management, if you were to grossly oversimplify it.

Really? I don't have to look too far to prove you're wrong.

Read Juha's post in this thread. I've been reading comments like those for years.

i did, perhaps you misread?

Juha stated "It was quantity over quality that won teh war!"

safe to say he referred to the Germans having the quality eq, and the arrayed forces of US/Britain?USSR having the quantity that won the war?

callmeslick wrote:Daii- Great pics Dude, you are a posting machine today!!

My dad has some funny stories around that whole thing. Short and sweet: he was an engineering student at UVA and due to nationwide war effort, got put on a fast track and got a degree in 3 years. Went to work in DC, got made an Ensign in the Navy overnight, essentially. The job consisted of concocting stuff in the labs and then going out on fire tugs into the Potomac and trying to put out fires on flaming barges. Some of the stuff was completely counterproductive and produced even more massive blazes. Eventually, they got the stuff down right, it went off to the Pacific Fleet and prevented airplane fuel fires from completely disabling carriers at sea(a big problem in the day, we didn't have all that many and they were crucial against Japan).

Bottom line, if you really are compelled to go to war(and more often than not, you aren't, IMO), that was the way to do it, a nationwide effort from every citizen, at every level of society. And, sacrifice by all. Look back at the shortcomings from Vietnam to present and that level of cohesiveness might be high on the list of reasons why we have tended to fall short of victory.

cool story Slick; in fact the damage control directly played a role in keeping US surface vessels right there they belong, on the surface, and the lack of it in IJN vesels was a disadvantage, and the US carriers not only surviving, but quickly continuing combat operations (also thanks in part of the teak decking; an Illustrious-class AC of the RN actually experienced warping of the whole hull, from intense fires from kamikaze hits on the armoured deck)



there were no national armies extant until the French revolution, until then, no armies in history ammounted to more than 1 or 2% of its communal base; the national French army of the Revolution inflated this to at least 10%, this is very new, relative to the history of warfare including the concerted efforts of the civilians. except in cases of the survival of the community being truly threatened, this would not happen most of the time, most armies being privately funded and without any extraneous or indirect support from the populace or nation

Daiichidoku wrote:

Buzz wrote:

Daiichidoku wrote:Buzz- the germans NEVER complained they were beat by superior eq, they fully realise they were beat (for the most part) by logistics and bad management, if you were to grossly oversimplify it.

Really? I don't have to look too far to prove you're wrong.

Read Juha's post in this thread. I've been reading comments like those for years.

i did, perhaps you misread?

Juha stated "It was quantity over quality that won teh war!"

safe to say he referred to the Germans having the quality eq, and the arrayed forces of US/Britain?USSR having the quantity that won the war?

No kidding. What do you think i've been talking about all this time?

The problem I have is they think that's the only way we could have won.

Heads up. Everything equal. We still win.

Pudfark wrote:drivel

its the funneh, two paths, same destination;

sgt.sergio only infrequently pops up to bigtime self-pwn, you rapid-fire little nickel n dime self-pwns in most of your posts

Buzz wrote:The problem I have is they think that's the only way we could have won.

Heads up. Everything equal. We still win.

thats valid, lotsa tards like pud drink the kool aid, sure many Germans are all rah-rah stupid also

yes, had the war somehow gone on that long, US and British, followed a bit by the Soviets, would ineed have the quality factor in hand...with or without quality in the mix for the allies, Germany would have lost, sooner or later, i dont imagine anyone could rightly deny that