Sequestration Frustration

[callmeslick]

you might be surprised, especially if you broke from the knee-jerk, "Obama Bad" mode, and realized that equating a foreign policy decision to discretionary domestic spending is equating oranges and apples. As it stands, you consistently produce stuff that is the intellectual, logical equivalent of," if all boys wear blue, and all girls have curly hair, does Johnny ride the bus to school?" And, as I stated above, responding to stuff at that level, with no real factual consistency, gets boring.

[callmeslick]

allow me to clarify, CUDA. As you may or may not be aware, the sequester rules are this: 6.3% cuts in all budget units with certain spending items protected from any cuts. Thus, if you wish to question the spending given to the PA, let's look at what was spent and cut in the State dept budget, by contrast. If you wish to question cuts made to department budgets that affect domestic employment, let's look at what was kept in the budgets of the departments in question. It's not a question of the administration being able to cut all the funds from one place, to save another....the cuts are department by department. Thus, White House tours were cut to prevent other cuts to the Secret Service budget, under which such tours are budgeted. Certain national parks are opening late, to save the bucks in the Interior department, and so forth. Bring up some direct comparisons, and I'll be glad to agree, disagree or debate. I am NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME WITH "look at this, look at that" irrelevant comparisons. Make sense? It sure makes logical sense to me......
Thus far, it seems that you(and you are far from alone) want to play some sort of goofy gotcha game with the sequester, demonstrating either a complete lack of comprehension about the wording of the bill, or an eagerness to paint the administration badly for your own partisan purposes.

[Pudfark]

"Thus far, it seems that you(and you are far from alone) want to play some sort of goofy gotcha game with the sequester, demonstrating either a complete lack of comprehension about the wording of the bill, or an eagerness to paint the administration badly for your own partisan purposes."

The thread is about sequestration, check out the title.
Sequestration was Obama's idea/plan. You Dem's passed/approved it.
Now, you're deliberately causing harm to the public as you throw yer tantrum
and other "poor" folks under the bus. All, because, the Repubs are "holding" ya
to your plan. All of this you know and have poorly tried to dodge.

[callmeslick]

actually, I'm open to debate with anyone who understands that sequester has to be looked at on a department by department basis, instead of 'lookee-here', lookee-there', and using red herrings like calling an internationally recognized governmental authority a 'terrorist organization'(and no, CUDA, no matter how many neocon/pro-Isreal references you dig up, the facts ARE that the PA is a legitimate representative of several million people, who has largely abided by civilized rules of conduct. In fact, it can readily be argued that the PA has kept within norms that the Israelis fail to maintain themselves, such as use of cluster bombs on civilians, etc).

[Pudfark]

What about Obama killing children with drones?
Do ya place him in the same category?

The PA is historically more dangerous than N.Korea over the last 50 years.
The PA is very questionably the "legitimate face" of terrorism.

The American people as a whole have endured more than a 5% cut in income and have coped. Your "Democratic" run government and their measly reduction, have "the wheels falling off the wagon" as they "give away the store" to foreign countries. So, quit yer bitch'n.

[callmeslick]

What about Obama killing children with drones?
Do ya place him in the same category?

well, it certainly was a practice pre-dating Obama, but I'm torn over it. Yes, I can see it being better than carpet bombing a region. And, yes, it is less costly both economically and in terms of US lives than sending a contingent of Marines in. Still, when it entails overflight over sovereign nations that might not be sanctioning it, I start to worry about the precedent. Sadly, in wartime, children get killed. In fact, a lot of civilians get killed in any conflict.

The PA is historically more dangerous than N.Korea over the last 50 years.
The PA is very questionably the "legitimate face" of terrorism.

you might be confusing the PA with Fattah, or worse, some of the other Palestinian factions. But, the facts are, the current PA has been desperately trying to maintain some level of civil conduct out of the Palestinians. Do they have much control in Gaza?? No. Can they have any control over Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and other places? Again, no, but as far as being the best(by far) hope for a responsible group of representatives for a long-oppressed people, they are clearly it.

The American people as a whole have endured more than a 5% cut in income and have coped. Your "Democratic" run government and their measly reduction, have "the wheels falling off the wagon" as they "give away the store" to foreign countries. So, quit yer bitch'n.

ummm, I wasn't the one 'bitchin'....I was the one stating that the Obama administration has done a damned good job of cutting in such a way as to minimize widespread downward pressure on the economy. Once again, spending money in the middle east is not 'giving away the store', nor does it impact any other department budget except State. Would you suggest a problem with the billions we give Israel?

[CUDA]

you might be confusing the PA with Fattah, or worse, some of the other Palestinian factions.

do you even know the factions that make up the PA??? and it seems to me that you are admitting that Fatah is a terrorist Org. UHM FYI the Two Major factions who are fighting for control of the PA are Hamas, and Fatah. BOTH are elected entities in the PA

[callmeslick]

you might be confusing the PA with Fattah, or worse, some of the other Palestinian factions.

do you even know the factions that make up the PA??? and it seems to me that you are admitting that Fatah is a terrorist Org. UHM FYI the Two Major factions who are fighting for control of the PA are Hamas, and Fatah. BOTH are elected entities in the PA

The current leadership of the PA is solely made up of a former Fattah moderates, ie-the non-terrorist leaning ones. Hamas is NOT an entity of the PA, as currently represented, but is a splinter organization, focused in but not limited to Gaza that is fighting to take over the PA, thus far unsuccessfully.Hezbolla, and a handful of very extreme Islamist groups hold sway in refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria and have small pockets of support in Palestine itself. Look, just as Israel is represented, and has been led by former zionist terrorists, you have to accept their government as a legitimate entity. Likewise, I and the vast majority of the rest of the civilized world accept the PA in the same fashion. If you are unwilling to do that, then you are conceding that no two-state solution should emerge from the region, thus dooming Israel to the eventual loss of a majority Jewish state, defeating the entire purpose of the establishment of the nation.....

[CUDA]

you might be confusing the PA with Fattah, or worse, some of the other Palestinian factions.

do you even know the factions that make up the PA??? and it seems to me that you are admitting that Fatah is a terrorist Org. UHM FYI the Two Major factions who are fighting for control of the PA are Hamas, and Fatah. BOTH are elected entities in the PA

The current leadership of the PA is solely made up of a former Fattah moderates, ie-the non-terrorist leaning ones.

O_o

Are you serious??? slick you've bent A LOT of facts over the debates we've had but this tops everything. so you do not deny that Hamas is part of the PA, you do not deny that Fatah is part of the PA. BOTH groups that are directly tied to terrorism. but you expect me to swallow that yes those entities are part of the PA but the "FORMER TERRORIST ORGANIZATION MODERATES" the ones that "LEAN" away from terrorism has them under control. it's no wonder you vote Democrat. you'll believe anything

[callmeslick]

care to list the current leadership of the PA, or do you wish me to.......

edit-here's some help....from an article on the current prime minister, who is a businessman from the Third Way(non-revolutionary) movement:
"Fayyad was appointed prime minister of a new "independent" government (without any Fatah or Hamas members) which is supported by the Fatah, Israel and the West."

thus, as highlighted, the current PA government has NO members from either Fatah or Hamas, although the government has the tacit support of Fatah, who wishes to keep Hamas at bay. Oh, and this makeup has been in effect for 6 years now.