a study was released in March, looking at the feasability of Pennsylvania going to a statewide single payer health insurance plan. The results might startle folks, but it's something worth considering and also pondering what would be the effect of a NATIONWIDE single payer setup.
http://pachurchesadvocacy.org/weblog/?p=14146
Economic Impact Study
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callmeslick
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What's startling is it's making the same sell points used in the past to promote the federal "Affordable Care Act". Feel free to experiment in PA with this and let us know how it works out....
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interesting how much deeper the discussion was in the other forum where I posted this. Actually, these savings dwarf anything the ACA could ever hope to achieve, simply because the politicians killed a 'public option', effectively.
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Those proposed savings can only be proven in reality. Go ahead and implement, and see what you get.
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well, that is true, but seriously, Barfly, do you doubt the idea that huge savings would result? If so, why?
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Pudfark
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While yer convo is addressed to Barfly.....
Just saying that the moment, shortly thereafter, ObamaCare passed...my insurance went up $3000.00 a year. So, far, it ain't gone down a lick. Nobody is saying it will, quite the opposite.
Just saying that the moment, shortly thereafter, ObamaCare passed...my insurance went up $3000.00 a year. So, far, it ain't gone down a lick. Nobody is saying it will, quite the opposite.
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callmeslick
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as did many similar policies.....nothing to do with Obamacare until next year, when we will see.Pudfark wrote:While yer convo is addressed to Barfly.....
Just saying that the moment, shortly thereafter, ObamaCare passed...my insurance went up $3000.00 a year.
actually, all quotes I've been getting so far(I'm getting bombarded down here, but then again, Delaware is actively setting up exchanges) are roughly $5,000 less for a similar policy to current one, with a slightly higher out-of-pocket max($6000, as opposed to $3500), and my secondary will seemingly remain about the same. Thus, where in 2013, I'm paying $16,200 for both(counting former employer's contribution to primary), next year, I will pay around $11,500. That's for the wife and I, $500 deductable, $6000 oop on primary, secondary picks up deductable and all oopSo, far, it ain't gone down a lick. Nobody is saying it will, quite the opposite.
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This is not worth debating as the entire premise upon which this study is based is inverted. It will not provide more choice or improve efficiency over a free market system.
"Radically reduces the total cost of health care to levels more consistent with costs in the rest of the industrialized world."
= rationing.... they will have to ration to get health care services lowered to the standard 'enjoyed' by other countries with government directed health care. Price fixing will shrink the provider base. We know what your position is on this, and you ours, so why bring it up - the assumptions made in the first two paragraphs are false, making the rest of the report irrelevant.
"Radically reduces the total cost of health care to levels more consistent with costs in the rest of the industrialized world."
= rationing.... they will have to ration to get health care services lowered to the standard 'enjoyed' by other countries with government directed health care. Price fixing will shrink the provider base. We know what your position is on this, and you ours, so why bring it up - the assumptions made in the first two paragraphs are false, making the rest of the report irrelevant.
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very wrong...while it does take any need for 'choice' out of the equation(unless one wishes to buy supplemental coverage), the efficiency of Medicare is massively superior to private sector insurers. This has long been shown to be the case.Barfly wrote:This is not worth debating as the entire premise upon which this study is based is inverted. It will not provide more choice or improve efficiency over a free market system.
are you aware of how severly private insurers 'ration' your care, currently? No civilized nation has the limits on coverage we routinely see."Radically reduces the total cost of health care to levels more consistent with costs in the rest of the industrialized world."
= rationing.... they will have to ration to get health care services lowered to the standard 'enjoyed' by other countries with government directed health care.
howcome this has NEVER been shown to be the case in any other nation with nationalized health care?Price fixing will shrink the provider base.
keep that closed mind....I just don't understand why you feel you(and the rest of us) deserve to keep paying 30% more for 20% worse outcomes.....We know what your position is on this, and you ours, so why bring it up - the assumptions made in the first two paragraphs are false, making the rest of the report irrelevant.