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Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:09 pm
by Dawg
CUDA wrote:
callmeslick wrote:it's a shame, Dawg, that you're such a sheltered pussy that you don't allow yourself to read certain posts. If so, I would have liked to have seen your response to what I wrote above. Instead, we get a quick visit before you return to your regularly scheduled circle-jerk. Thanks for adding your two cents, which have been stated more eloquently by others a day or two ago. :roll:
Slick you do know Dawg and HH read your posts. they dont want to miss anything that might have been said. AND if they REALLY had you on ignore they wouldn't even waste the bandwith to respond that they have you on ignore :P
A closed mind is not only closed to outside thoughts, it is often closed to itself as well. It is closed to new thoughts and anything that threatens the status quo. But if you can open the doors, maybe just a crack at first, the ideas that have been patiently waiting at your gates will flood in.”

No, actually I DONT read either of those morons posts unless I a) accidentally dont log in b) someone quotes them..thanks, now I just lost 3 IQ points seeing something slick wrote.
NOTHING that slick or res has posted in 4 years has altered an iota...

Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:12 pm
by Buzz
Slick...........In this day and age. There's no such thing as a peaceful gathering. Once someone pulls out a gun. It's no longer peaceful, and you never know when it's going to happen.

It's not being paranoid. It's being prepared.

Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:20 pm
by callmeslick
Buzz wrote:Slick...........In this day and age. There's no such thing as a peaceful gathering. Once someone pulls out a gun. It's no longer peaceful, and you never know when it's going to happen.

It's not being paranoid. It's being prepared.
sorry, but I disagree. Further, if you are right, civil society is doomed, and we're all fecked.

Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:24 pm
by callmeslick
ruggbutt wrote:Says the guy who has no clue about the firearms laws or what gun dealers have to do to sell a gun. If someone is mentally ill, but hasn't been before a judge and declared so then for all intents and purposes he's not mentally ill. If he'd been before a judge it would have shown up on a background check. Every state does them, most are "instant" and take 5-10 minutes. Here in AZ it's the Sheriff's Office who does the looking up of the records and gives the yay or nay.

Now that you've been educated by someone who was a firearms dealer maybe you'll stop regurgitating that bullshit that the mentally ill are "allowed" to buy weapons. Prolly not though, cuz in the past you've given a fuck less about the facts.
sorry, dude, but you have things a bit mixed up. Most states have regs that say that involuntary committment(appearing before a judge) only can occur if the person is an IMMINENT danger to himself or others. Therein lies the issue. I don't disagree, and wasn't unaware of any of your other details, but that one factor is CRITICAL, hence the change in the Virginia law after the VA Tech shootings.

As for the Reagan policy comments, you are correct, no one reversed or even modified the policy. That was wrong, some of us have worked very hard to fix it, but with little legislataive interest.

Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:31 pm
by Buzz
It doesn't matter if you disagree. If I was at that shooting, and could legally carry a gun. The jerk wouldn't have emptied his clip, and lives would have been saved.

I'm sure others would do the same. Cops are useless if they aren't there. Which they never are. Maybe these assholes will think twice if they have to worry about more than the cops. It's too easy to get away with it now.

We had our peaceful time. It's like war now.

You might feel different if your family got shot by one of these guys.

Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:31 pm
by Reservoir_Dog
CUDA wrote:
callmeslick wrote:it's a shame, Dawg, that you're such a sheltered pussy that you don't allow yourself to read certain posts. If so, I would have liked to have seen your response to what I wrote above. Instead, we get a quick visit before you return to your regularly scheduled circle-jerk. Thanks for adding your two cents, which have been stated more eloquently by others a day or two ago. :roll:
Slick you do know Dawg and HH read your posts. they dont want to miss anything that might have been said. AND if they REALLY had you on ignore they wouldn't even waste the bandwith to respond that they have you on ignore :P
A closed mind is not only closed to outside thoughts, it is often closed to itself as well. It is closed to new thoughts and anything that threatens the status quo. But if you can open the doors, maybe just a crack at first, the ideas that have been patiently waiting at your gates will flood in.”
He does seem to spend a lot of time talking about someone he says he's ignoring.

Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:54 pm
by Wullie
oversimplified stupidity for the truly stupid. Far more nuance should go into gun laws. Frankly, the whole 2nd amendment thing is a crock, the Amendment was never intended to have an armed populace at peaceful gatherings. There were exactly two purposes for that Amendment: 1) To provide for a quick, military response when there was little or no standing army in place, or budgeted for and 2) As discussed by Madison and others, to overthrow any tyranny that develops. Both reasons are obsolete, as we have a military in place, and the second part is ludicrous given the size and scope of the force the government could bring to bear.
Now, I'm NOT in favor of banning all weapons, far from it. Still, certain sensible regulation might be worth consideration, especially in terms of ease of purchase and the availability of weaponry that has NO purpose beyond quick, mass killing of humans(ie: you ain't going squirrel hunting with a Glock 9)
Spoken like a true gun hating liberal. Tell me this oh wise one. How is it that you can come to that conclusion when virtually NONE of the courts that this has been tossed around in have come to the same conclusion?

We have a military in place that can NOT be legally used against the American people comprised of men and women who have have sworn and oath to uphold and defend the Constitution while at the same time NOT having any protection from it. I would think a LARGE majority of our armed forces would disobey any order to act against American citizens.

Zamudio is a perfect example that your conclusion is bullshit. True, he wasn't at the rally. He was just buying some smokes whilst LEGALLY armed. (and supposed by the likes of you dangerous) He didn't whip out his pistol and start shooting. He used other methods to stop the crime, along with the help of others that didn't freeze solid and shit themselves like you suggested above.

That young man has done more to further the cause of concealed carry than most of the vocal proponents put together. Just because you think it appropriate to freeze solid when confronted with possibly fatal adversity, doesn't mean that the whole human race is wired the same as you are.

I've been shot at and around situations where others were being shot at. Freezing solid was the last fucking thing on my mind.

A firearm is nothing more than tool, as is a hammer. A firearm and a hammer both have the same amount of intelligence as the average liberal in my opinion.

While you're on the road to banning or eliminating things capable of killing a LOT people, how many firearms with hi capacity magazines were used in the slaughter that took place on 9-11-2001?

Were there no laws to prohibit hi-jacking airliners and murdering people already in place? Maybe we need to pass a specific law against such foolishness?

Wait a minute, I think there are laws against what Loughner did too. WTF?? HOW could he have done that? Well HELL, let's make government bigger and stronger and pass some more laws that will be ignored. How much will enforcing that shit cost?

Weren't you advocating cutting expenses in government?

Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:23 am
by callmeslick
Wullie, the courts have never ruled on the 'conclusion' I drew. They cannot. It is part of the Constitution. In fact, the way I read it, the right to 'keep and bear arms' doesn't preclude much of anything and clearly assumes the right to carry(bear) the weaponry. Hence, by the 2nd amendment, I see no reason why you or I could not both own and carry a shoulder-fired missle.

Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:57 am
by fatman
callmeslick wrote:I see no reason why you or I could not both own and carry a shoulder-fired missle.
I havent looked it up but im pretty sure the gov have classed that as a D/D hence spoiling your fun

Re: Mentally Ill Introduce Bill....

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:20 am
by HappyHappy
The only time I have the misfortune of reading the crap posted by the ignorees
is when I forget to log in or their foolish dribble is quoted in a post by someone I respect.

Callmesick and RD are both rabid leftists. They obviously want to ban guns in order to
keep our rights in check to further their Communist Utopia.

No need to read their crap to understand that.

The second amendment was written by the same armed rebels that started a revolution and
wrote the declaration of independence.
The second amendment is all about keeping government in check.
Armed people gathering to discuss FREEDOM and RIGHTS is what
the second amendment is all about.

HH