A Complete Waste of Space

CUDA wrote:and ironically one of the highest Corporate taxes rates over the same period. see the correlation?

can you show me how, especially when compared in terms of revenue collected as a percentage of GDP?
I believe you are very wrong.

One of the major causes of current high, chronic levels of unemployment in the United States is offshoring by U.S. corporations. Less well known, however, is that these same multinational corporations are a significant cause of not only millions of lost jobs, but of trillions of dollars of lost tax revenue as well—thus contributing significantly to current and future budget deficits.

A recent report by the U.S. Commerce Dept., a pro-business source, indicated that big multinationals like General Electric, Caterpillar, and big tech and drug companies over the past decade reduced their American work forces by 2.9 million while increasing their jobs offshore by 2.4 million. Apart from the harm inflicted on US working families, this development has resulted in the loss of huge amounts of tax revenue to the federal government, contributing in a major way to the country's current budget deficit and rising government debt levels.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/working/ent ... x_evasion/

uh, Cuda, you didn't come remotely close to answering my question. All you did was show that we readily allow corporations making dividends for US investors to evade taxation at the expense of our domestic economy. Proves nothing, plus I think you are very wrong to state that the US has overly high corporate rates. We just let our corporations get away with screwing the nation that provides them their wealth.

i didn't intend to answer your question because you were attempting to change the subject.

and I agree corporations are screwing us. and they are screwing us because we have a government that is in control and is so money hungry that they are screwing them. HARD.
if we had politicians that really cared about anything or anyone other then themselves and pandering for votes then maybe this country wouldn't be so screwed up. we would have the money that you so desire and we so need for infrastructure and we wouldn't be on the verge of bankruptcy.

business, is in the business to guess what. make money. and when you overtax business at a 40+% clip then you force them to do 2 things

1. either they raise costs to make the profit margins they need,
2. find a way to cut expenses.

the first one ties into inflation and jobs lost. the second one ties into jobs lost being sent overseas. by lowering Corp tax rates and making a business friendly environment. you would allow business to hire more people. which in turn would have the opposite effect on the economy. more people having jobs would produce more income, which in turn would produce more tax revenue. but unfortunately again the people running this country don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. and staying in power and the let them eat cake attitude.
If they really cared they do 2 things.
1. A balanced budget amendment. stop spending money you'll never have.
2. revise the tax structure to make it equal and fair for everyone.

"The income tax code and its associated regulations contain almost 5.6 million words -- seven times as many words as the Bible. Taxpayers now spend about 5.4 billion hours a year trying to comply with 2,500 pages of tax laws...."

5.6 million words??????? are you frikkin kidding me???????? there is no one that can know OR understand the nuances of 5.6 million words. let me tell you I know my Bible but I don't know everything about it. Not by a long shot. a tax law that size in and of itself is asinine. quit playing class warfare and pretending your Robin Hood and
FIX THE DAMN TAX CODE

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money”

Alexis de Tocqueville quotes (French Historian and Political scientist. 1805-1859)

seems like he was right.

+100 fer Cuda...

Slick: "you didn't come remotely close to answering my question"
Pudfark: "SSDD...."Same Slick Different Day"...the shoe fits you...more than anybody here..."

I will never understand why some folks think?
Poor folks need to be taken care of...ya know, hand fed like a dog.
Why some folks think...the poor are incapable of bettering themselves...?
Why rich people and corporations are to blame?
Why discriminating against the rich is not the same as discriminating against the "colored"..?
Why "fairness and equality" involves taking from another...to give to the others...?
How, anybody can justify the above...

Old Pudfark sez: " This ain't Sherwood Forest and you ain't Robbing the Hood... "

Pudfark wrote:I will never understand why some folks think?
Poor folks need to be taken care of...ya know, hand fed like a dog.
Why some folks think...the poor are incapable of bettering themselves...?
Why rich people and corporations are to blame?
Why discriminating against the rich is not the same as discriminating against the "colored"..?
Why "fairness and equality" involves taking from another...to give to the others...?
How, anybody can justify the above...

as long as you twist reality like the above, you are right....you never will understand.
Why can the rest of the civilized world be, well, civilized, yet Americans find it such a tough concept to grasp.

Callmeslick never saw a tax he did not like.
It's a Democratic thing.

HH

callmeslick wrote:

Pudfark wrote:I will never understand why some folks think?
Poor folks need to be taken care of...ya know, hand fed like a dog.
Why some folks think...the poor are incapable of bettering themselves...?
Why rich people and corporations are to blame?
Why discriminating against the rich is not the same as discriminating against the "colored"..?
Why "fairness and equality" involves taking from another...to give to the others...?
How, anybody can justify the above...

as long as you twist reality like the above, you are right....you never will understand.
Why can the rest of the civilized world be, well, civilized, yet Americans find it such a tough concept to grasp.

Try and "grasp" this concept of reality....America is the most "free" country in the world...in history.
Folks here are free to earn a living...Free to vote...Free to speak...Free to accept the responsibility of being a citizen
of this great country. Citizens are given these freedoms. However, if they want to keep them?
They have to Earn them.

This underlines/defines why you are not in business...Slick.
Cuz if you were?
You wouldn't be for long...with your "life model" and "give away" plan...

Happy Fourth of July....Thank God, that this great country....was given to us....
By, all them other civilized nations....

Old Pudfark sez: " Folks whut pays fer things?....Always takes better care of them things....than those what was gifted them.... "

callmeslick wrote:Why can the rest of the civilized world be, well, civilized, yet Americans find it such a tough concept to grasp.

HRM lets see, Europe has More Terrorists attacks, More rioting, More Political unrest. More Genocide, More Failing Governments, and a higher poverty rate. 14% US and an average 16% in the EU

Yep as an American I find that a tough concept to grasp.

Pudfark wrote:This underlines/defines why you are not in business...Slick.
Cuz if you were?
You wouldn't be for long...with your "life model" and "give away" plan...

I've been in business since I was born, to some extent. And yourself? What business model have
you brought forth? I've managed to make money in banking, agriculture and real estate without
deviating from either my life model, nor cutting a break to those who deserved one. You've played
rent-a-thug to a Southern police force, by your own description of your policing practices. That's a business? Sounds like a beneficiary of government, to me.....

Old Pudfark sez: " Folks whut pays fer things?....Always takes better care of them things....than those what was gifted them.... "

and those who have less chance than others due merely to a birth into poverty, and a substandard
education system fall into which category? Other than ultimately falling victim to the police or settling
for a life of crime because no other gainful employment is available, they need viable options, and that
requires some government involvement. In the end, everyone wins.


Finally, in terms of the tax debate at hand, the matter isn't government handouts, or shouldn't be.
The public, by an massively overwhelming margin, supports medicare, medicaid, social security, unemployment
insurance and likes to have some government oversight of their food supply and medical practices. With the
current tax levels, which are historically very low, we cannot pay for those things. Something has to give.
Either we screw those folks who are fighting to survive and risk the overall health and safety of the populace, or we ask folks MORE than able to pay a bit more to do so, at rates comparable to what they used to pay, without complaint I might add. My tax bills are very small compared to the overall benefit to society of my paying them. You, likely, wouldn't even see much difference, from the descriptions you have given of your retired status. So, why are you whining?