A Complete Waste of Space

callmeslick wrote:They cost the US a AAA credit rating with one agency and helped destablize an already shaky market.

that's BS and you know it. spouting the DNC talking points wont get you anywhere. it's the whorish spending of our Government that cost us our AAA rating not the tea party taking a stand against it. S&P has even said so. but in the good DNC mantra of never let a crisis go to waste. but you parrot right along with what they say instead of being truthful and pointing out that we lost our AAA rating because of every President and Congress since FDR and their over spending.

CUDA wrote:Now I'm interested to see what happens with the 2 Wisconsin D Senators that are up for recall in the coming weeks

Two Democratic incumbents -- Sens. Bob Wirch of Pleasant Prairie and Jim Holperin of Conover -- face recalls next week

Personally, I've always felt recalls to be sort of cheesy. We have set election cycles and folks ought to live with them, and if they feel burned, maybe pay attention a bit more in future elections. I could see recall for something truly illegal or greivous, but just because folks did what they claimed they wanted to do, or failed to do what you thought they should do, recall isn't justified.

Back onto Rugg's Civil War thing......sometimes, I look at the US and wonder if we aren't heading toward some sort of conflict, but then I step back and realize that I am only considering the radical extremes. When you get out and talk to folks(something politics makes me do every 2 years or so), you realize that the VAST majority are just trying to live their lives, decently, and really don't buy any of the radical right or left agendas.

CUDA wrote:

callmeslick wrote:They cost the US a AAA credit rating with one agency and helped destablize an already shaky market.

that's BS and you know it. spouting the DNC talking points wont get you anywhere. it's the whorish spending of our Government that cost us our AAA rating not the tea party taking a stand against it. S&P has even said so. but in the good DNC mantra of never let a crisis go to waste. but you parrot right along with what they say instead of being truthful and pointing out that we lost our AAA rating because of every President and Congress since FDR and their over spending.

When are you going to get it through your head that, at least for 90% of all spending, we are spending it on programs the People wanted, and still support strongly. The tax monies are available, but presently are being given away to the wealthy for no good reason, with no good outcome(seen any job growth of note since 2001?). We DO, IMO, have to get our heads out of the desire to police the freaking planet, which would save us around 5 trillion per decade, but that's another topic for another day.

Quick question: every time someone(me or otherwise) comes up with a sensible rebuttal, how come rightwingnuts grab for the DNC nonsense, like a bunch of trained monkeys?

while you're contemplating treason, why don't you cast any eye toward the Tea Party caucus. They cost the US a AAA credit rating

In a recent CBS news poll, 69% or nearly 7 out of 10 Americans said they did not want the debt ceiling raised.

well since 70% of the people agreed with the tea party stance of not raising the debit ceiling. I guess those 70% must be guilty of treason then right? Calling the "tea-Party" Traitors for the downgrade is disingenuous at best. and demagoguery at it's finest. this is typical of the left. again with telling the people what they should think. lose the battle in Congress start calling people names.

Quick question: every time someone(me or otherwise) comes up with a sensible rebuttal, how come rightwingnuts grab for the DNC nonsense, like a bunch of trained monkeys?

I'm sorry when did spouting talking points become a sensible rebuttal? you just posted a DNC talking point right off of John Kerry's speech and an Opinion not based on any fact. I see nothing sensible about that.

and here are some facts about those 90% of entitlements that "The People" want

Health Care Law
52% Say Health Care Law Will Increase Deficit, 54% Favor Its Repeal

Two-thirds (68%) of Americans favor ending welfare payments after two years for all able-bodied welfare recipients, including women with pre-school children, and requiring them to take a job.

Slick wrote:The tax monies are available, but presently are being given away to the wealthy for no good reason,

and not being collected from 50% of the people for no good reason.

CUDA wrote:I'm sorry when did spouting talking points become a sensible rebuttal? you just posted a DNC talking point right off of John Kerry's speech and an Opinion not based on any fact. I see nothing sensible about that.

didn't even hear Kerry's spiel, to this very moment. And the concept of 'talking points' implies some sort of organization. The Democratic Party has little, if any, tendency towards organization. Trying to get a group of party regulars to focus on ANYTHING is akin to trying to herd hamsters down 5th avenue during rush hour.

Two-thirds (68%) of Americans favor ending welfare payments after two years for all able-bodied welfare recipients, including women with pre-school children, and requiring them to take a job.

damned good for them, because that is the current law, as it stands. Women with pre-school age children, in some rare cases, qualify for other programs, but not the standard welfare program.

Slick wrote:The tax monies are available, but presently are being given away to the wealthy for no good reason,

and not being collected from 50% of the people for no good reason.

why would you ask the 50% of the population who could really use the extra money, to pay more? It isn't like they aren't already paying mandatory fees, other taxes(Medicare, SS, etc), plus, as consumers, the tax that the corporations incorporate into pricing schemes. I can afford more.....some dude making like 30K with no tangible assets? That seems sort of uncivilized to me.

Slick, yer last paragraph...really got me....
So....because a person is "poor"...they are entitled?
To not pay their way....
To have some one else pay their way....
And they get to vote...on how much... is paid to them?

Old Pudfark sez: " Charity...name yer price... "

Pudfark sez: " It's not what you invest in your country? It's what they divest to you? "

callmeslick wrote:why would you ask the 50% of the population who could really use the extra money, to pay more?

Ass, Gas, or Grass Nobody rides for free.

This Country is not a Charity, and will not survive if people treat her as such. Take some pride in your self and your country and earn what you get. everyone can afford something. I don't care if you only tax them $10 a year. PAY SOMETHING. most people just don't want to pay taxes, not because they can't afford it but because they can get away with it.

And they get to vote

Valid point Pud, what if those 50% that pay no Taxes lost their right to vote because of that. and if they want to vote they pay a tax, Call its a citizenship fee. I'll bet those 50% would be start working their collective asses off so they wouldn't lose that right to vote.

CUDA wrote:

callmeslick wrote:why would you ask the 50% of the population who could really use the extra money, to pay more?

Ass, Gas, or Grass Nobody rides for free.

This Country is not a Charity, and will not survive if people treat her as such. Take some pride in your self and your country and earn what you get. everyone can afford something. I don't care if you only tax them $10 a year. PAY SOMETHING. most people just don't want to pay taxes, not because they can't afford it but because they can get away with it.

Bingo

CUDA wrote:

And they get to vote

Valid point Pud, what if those 50% that pay no Taxes lost their right to vote because of that. and if they want to vote they pay a tax, Call its a citizenship fee. I'll bet those 50% would be start working their collective asses off so they wouldn't lose that right to vote.

Bingo x2


Old Pudfark sez: " Ya get whut you pay for...or...ya get what ya lay for... "